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Dwarf Strength

 
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Should Dwarves have 22 strength instead of 21?
Yes
21%
 21%  [ 3 ]
No
64%
 64%  [ 9 ]
Don't care
14%
 14%  [ 2 ]
Total Votes : 14

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Rothak



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 05, 2019 2:51 am    Post subject: Dwarf Strength

Dwarves seem a bit underpowered, granted there are a few exceptions. But with such a large vuln to drowning I think strength for dwarves should go back to 22.
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Nadrin



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 05, 2019 4:59 pm    Post subject:

dwarves have the potential for the highest HP of any other race. They are fine.

Do something for me, go count stats of all the races. You will find that human has 101 while dwarf has 102. 101 seems to be the basis, but many of the races have more than 101.

Take Slith, who only has 99 stat points, and there is someone who should get extra consideration.

Duergar which is supposed to be an evil dwarf has only 100 compared to their cousins at 102.

Fire giant only has 94,

storm giant is 95

Stone giant at 94

Mino at 98


So nah, I think dwarf is fine.
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Davairus
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 06, 2019 12:47 am    Post subject:

We did already have dwarf on 22 for a bit.

22 strength has some effects that I don't think are immediately obvious. For example, hobble becomes considerably more reliable. It still works a lot without combat advantage. And its kinda bs, because with the amount of con a dwarf has, they can reliably flee while hobbled and rarely collapse to death. That's the main downside of that stat on a dwarf for me.

I think you can probably find the threads where we talked about why we were undoing the bonus - we really buffed a bunch of other races at the same time.

That said, it doesn't mean I don't agree dwarf isn't underpowered. I just don't feel taking it back to 22 strength is a good direction. We shouldn't be vascillating on the class stats. Example. We could try a unique item (basically, like a rain-coat or rainshield of some form) that redirects water damage into sound damage. This would be powerful class of items. On the flipside, we could have things that turn your attacks to water
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Bladefury



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 06, 2019 2:12 am    Post subject:

could give more racial legacies.
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Mr. Forgotten



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 06, 2019 3:26 am    Post subject:

I like the idea of more racial legacies, too.
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Kedaleam
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 06, 2019 4:00 am    Post subject:

I agree with Nadrin. I think dwarf is really not a race we need to worry much about.
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Vertas



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2019 8:02 pm    Post subject:

Jotun have 22 strength, to me it doesn’t make sense for a dwarf to be as strong as a Jotun
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Ergorion



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2019 12:56 am    Post subject:

What if we just added one strength to every race across the board? What could go wrong?
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Nadrin



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 10, 2019 7:49 pm    Post subject:

Well Ergo, why not add 5 to every one across the board? Like you said, what could go wrong? Anyway, BRAWL DAY!!!
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 11, 2019 1:09 am    Post subject:

To clarify, I said no to the 22 strength.

While keeping a dwarf buff on the table if anyone has a decent suggestion that we havent already tried and found was a failure.
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Ergorion



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 11, 2019 5:15 pm    Post subject:

Dwarven racial legacy for all dwarves: drunken dwarf has half-a-blur chance of avoiding an attack.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 11, 2019 5:38 pm    Post subject:

Hah thats OP. If dwarf bard isnt a thing yet we might be able to do it though.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 11, 2019 9:00 pm    Post subject:

+1 for dwarf bard
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 11, 2019 9:07 pm    Post subject:


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