Forum Links 

Click to return to main page
 FAQFAQ   SearchSearch   MemberlistMemberlist   UsergroupsUsergroups   RegisterRegister 
 ProfileProfile  Log in to check your private messagesLog in to check your private messages    Log inLog in 
 Current Top Rated Killers 
 Next Event   Voting Links 


The event "The Assault on Taekir" is beginning in 1 day, 17 hours.

Combat of thieves
Goto page 1, 2  Next
 
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Abandoned Realms Forum Index -> Ideas and Suggestions
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
asudan



Joined: 13 Apr 2014
Posts: 82

PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2016 2:32 pm    Post subject: Combat of thieves

Would it be too far fetched to allow thieves to backstab and circle stab with a spear? Also curious as to why thieves would have the sword skill.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
 
0 0 0
Esivole
Immortal


Joined: 21 May 2004
Posts: 958
Location: Somewhere beyond the present.

PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2016 5:56 pm    Post subject:

Spears used to be allowed for backstabbing, not circles. I believe they were removed for balance issues in combat styles/weapon type. As far as swords go, have you ever seen every picture of a highway robber? Always a cutlass or short sword, just saying. I think it fits themy balance wise as well.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
 
0 1
boo,
0
Nycticora



Joined: 09 Feb 2013
Posts: 2277

PostPosted: Tue Jul 12, 2016 3:51 am    Post subject:

I wouldn't mind, I think thieves could use a buff
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
 
0 0 0
Ceridwel
Immortal


Joined: 01 Feb 2008
Posts: 3385
Location: Seattle

PostPosted: Tue Jul 12, 2016 4:08 am    Post subject:

Make them immune to defecation and telepaths cost half mana.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
 
1 0 0
Lorne
Immortal


Joined: 20 Jan 2004
Posts: 456

PostPosted: Tue Jul 12, 2016 5:55 am    Post subject:

Yea not sure why they were removed for backstab. There was alot of super badass one handed spears back then, so maybe that was why it was OP. Wouldn't mind seeing them back in, I think the selection of one handed spears are pretty balanced and actually somewhat limited.

Not sure if I agree they need a buff, there just haven't been any super competent thieves. Thieves have always been pretty badass when played right.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
 
0 0 0
Davairus
Implementor


Joined: 16 Jan 2004
Posts: 10344
Location: 0x0000

PostPosted: Tue Jul 12, 2016 6:52 am    Post subject:

There's a magic formula to making a class considered shitty to be OP and I've found it. You just give them haste. That's it. They win everything. For thief I would call this skill "killing spree" and it would be granted for a couple rounds by attacks of opportunity - backstab, circle stab, and anything else that involves stabs, I will stab a man for tacos without thinking, I'm deadly serious. Therefore haste.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
 
0 0 0
Rothak



Joined: 03 Oct 2011
Posts: 256
Location: Japan

PostPosted: Tue Jul 12, 2016 8:10 am    Post subject:

I miss having spears be able to back stab, IMO it makes sense since you don't swing a spear around like a sword/staff/whatever. Also, I think that a slith thief's tail attack should be based off of weapon advantage instead of combat advantage since rogues seek weapon type advantage for their combat skills where warriors (only other slith class) seek combat advantage for their combat skills. Just my 2 cents.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message AIM Address
 
0 0 0
ivindel



Joined: 20 Nov 2015
Posts: 163
Location: Singapore

PostPosted: Tue Jul 12, 2016 8:13 am    Post subject:

Well, I think thieves are fairly strong if played well and personally I don't think they need a buff. Two thieves to look out for will be Lourch and Ulsa. They are doing pretty well and are already showing us how effective thieves can be. Suffice to say, no one likes to fight a thief because you will always lose something no matter what.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
 
0 0 0
Merlandox



Joined: 31 Mar 2016
Posts: 258

PostPosted: Tue Jul 12, 2016 8:26 am    Post subject:

Lol. Thieves balance should be done in this way. Thief vs Naked enemy. If a thief is fighting someone head up who even have a piece of living wood on his body, you're doing it wrong.... Lol.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
 
0 0 0
asudan



Joined: 13 Apr 2014
Posts: 82

PostPosted: Tue Jul 12, 2016 10:17 am    Post subject:

Not asking for a buff, being able to back and circle with a spear should be allowed and makes sense. Sword skill should be removed, it does not fit and has no use for a thief when it comes to combat modules. These few changes would be great, but please don't revamp them.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
 
0 0 0
Olyn
Immortal


Joined: 23 Jul 2008
Posts: 3244
Location: Pennsylvania

PostPosted: Tue Jul 12, 2016 11:24 am    Post subject:

Sword is an essential weapon skill for a thief. Allow me to explain with one word: parry.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
 
0 0 0
divsky
Emissary


Joined: 13 Mar 2004
Posts: 1054
Location: Iowa City, IA

PostPosted: Tue Jul 12, 2016 2:19 pm    Post subject:

It's a lot easier to circle around someone in combat and stab them in the back with a 6 inch dagger than it is with a 6 foot spear. Daggers are a special weapon for thieves because they're small, easily concealed, and fit with the theme of a sneaky, rogue class.

The idea of thieves sneaking up to someone to stab them in the back with a spear, one handed or otherwise, makes a silly mental picture in my head. Stick to daggers.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
 
0 0 0
ottif



Joined: 08 Jan 2015
Posts: 310

PostPosted: Tue Jul 12, 2016 10:29 pm    Post subject:

olyn in what situation would parry and no combat skills be more useful than dagger/shaft/segment. the damage you gain from sidestep seems to trump the damage you avoid with parry
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
 
0 0 0
Olyn
Immortal


Joined: 23 Jul 2008
Posts: 3244
Location: Pennsylvania

PostPosted: Tue Jul 12, 2016 11:02 pm    Post subject:

I'm not suggesting thieves parry with a sword, I'm saying the skill lets them parry swords better. It's a big deal.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
 
0 0 0
Xenyar
Emissary


Joined: 26 May 2010
Posts: 596

PostPosted: Tue Jul 12, 2016 11:20 pm    Post subject:

Thieves need to know sword so they can better parry against it.... simple as that.
Divsky makes a good point about sneaking up on somebody with a 6ft spear and stabbing in the back...so make backstabbing with a spear only possible when the target has been blackjacked or sleeping. If opponent is awake, no spear backstabs. Just a thought...
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
 
0 0 0
ottif



Joined: 08 Jan 2015
Posts: 310

PostPosted: Tue Jul 12, 2016 11:33 pm    Post subject:

ah ok olyn i see your point
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
 
0 0 0
Davairus
Implementor


Joined: 16 Jan 2004
Posts: 10344
Location: 0x0000

PostPosted: Tue Jul 12, 2016 11:55 pm    Post subject:

Jokes aside, in the last month, I gave thief a disguise skill that lets them drop guard aggro, and i think even sneak into guilds (i'm not sure if the progs were actually touched up), and we also reduced the level requirement to use tripwire to 40, which is very nice for niche human 40 thief. So right now I'm not really convinced thief need another buff, instead I think the real problem is maybe the updates aren't being read. Someone said if things were on the MOTD they would be read, so I dunno. But I doubt they need serious attention.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
 
0 0 0
divsky
Emissary


Joined: 13 Mar 2004
Posts: 1054
Location: Iowa City, IA

PostPosted: Wed Jul 13, 2016 12:42 am    Post subject:

This is news to me. I think you just need to make a thread on the forum every time you update something in the game.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
 
0 0 0
Davairus
Implementor


Joined: 16 Jan 2004
Posts: 10344
Location: 0x0000

PostPosted: Wed Jul 13, 2016 2:02 am    Post subject:

There are updates that are worth a forum post but I don't believe all updates are. Mostly I just don't think its working for you guys to be trying to follow along with the MOTD/"finished issues" links. I'll make a script to post a thread with them to the forum each month. Then you'll be able to leave comments at the end of the month if we didn't make a thread, and if things were worth threads we can spin off some threads if we missed them.

Some updates aren't getting posted through any channels. There's nothing I can do about Imms being lazy about pushing new features through the issue system that exists to allow all this to work, other than sort of wag my finger and try to lead by example. I'm not perfect either so I'm not condemning anybody who hasn't done that all the time. Everybodys doing this in their free time, and things are still a little fiddly on the Imm side (no "quickpost" to generate a closed issue for instance). But I'm definitely commited to improving our communication about game updates and I think we made a lot of progress / also need some retrospect and make adjustments. Not just go back to creating forum threads. That caused TONS AND TONS of undocumented work going unnoticed
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
 
0 0 0
asudan



Joined: 13 Apr 2014
Posts: 82

PostPosted: Wed Jul 13, 2016 3:19 am    Post subject:

I'm not see any updates on thief skills whatsoever.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
 
0 0 0
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Abandoned Realms Forum Index -> Ideas and Suggestions All times are GMT
Goto page 1, 2  Next
Page 1 of 2

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum


Powered by phpBB © phpBB Group