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PostPosted: Sun Dec 19, 2004 5:28 am    Post subject: Strythmas changes.

* Minor changes to legal race/class combinations.
* Druids and psioncists closed for changes.
* STR now only affects damroll, DEX now affects hitroll.
* Hit/dam bonuses now scale by level.
* Enhanced damage now has double effect on two-handed weapons.
* Enhanced damage now has no effect on offhand weapons, except for rangers and ninjas.
* A new level-dependent hitroll penalty is added to offhand weapons.
* Hit/dam now calculated independently for each weapon when dual wielding.
* Score display updated to show all of these changes.

* New bow weapon class added for warriors, rangers, and thieves. (HELP BOW)
* New point blank skill added for warriors and rangers. (HELP POINT BLANK)
* New counterbalance skill added for thieves, ninjas, and bards. (HELP COUNTERBALANCE)
* Favoured weapons added for warriors. (HELP FAVOURED WEAPONS)
* New system of racial legacies added, with 6 new legacies. (HELP RACIAL LEGACIES)

* Partridge in a pear tree not included.

HO HO HO! MERRY STRYTHMAS!
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Burzuk
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 19, 2004 5:49 am    Post subject:

This thread is for bug-related issues only. You can start a thread in an appropriate forum to discuss specific aspects of these changes, or participate in one of these existing threads:

General feedback thread.

Hitroll and damroll changes thread.

Dual wield and enhanced damage changes thread.

Bows and arrows thread.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 19, 2004 6:11 am    Post subject: Re:

I like how everyone quit to make new charecters... :


Hp:338/338 M:490/490 Mv:233/233 Exp:5230 Gp:6345 3am forest who newbie
[ Elf ] Anduril the Fortune Teller (6 PSI)
[ H-Elf ] Airi Tyaethesti the Apprentice Minstrel (1 BAR)
[ Drow ] Ingor Vorust the Uke (1 Nin)
[ Avian ] Moyiuri Arin the Swordpupil (1 WAR)
[ Slith ] Syrin Crotalus the Swordpupil (1 WAR)
[ Gnome ] Coronius the Recruit (2 WAR)
[ Drow ] Aexua the Uke (1 Nin)
[ Drow ] Bakumaru the Uke (1 Nin)
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 19, 2004 8:13 am    Post subject:

I think its a bug that my bard didnt get the skill. Might not be though...
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viv



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 19, 2004 10:24 am    Post subject:

Just wondering if you could give an estimation on how long Druids and Psionicists will be out for.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 19, 2004 10:55 am    Post subject:

As long as it takes.

Now I need to drown the Grinch in me. More eggnog!
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 19, 2004 5:10 pm    Post subject:

I like how the changes "suggest" that zerkers and warriors (and thieves?) use two-handed weapons... suggest like a boot to the face. ;) Did Double Grip get its new tweaks, or are those still pending?

Druids - good riddance. I'll sort of miss psis, though... partly because they were so gimpy, but mostly because I just like spamming 'f awaken Stupidhead' from some obscure hidey-hole.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 19, 2004 9:33 pm    Post subject: changes

First time poster here; changes provoked me into asking a question. Relative newb here, so does this mean that warriors will have a better fighting chance at level 50 again necros/illusionists/shamans? because it mostly seems to me like people are worrying about warriors having too much strength at lower levels, and no one is asking questions about the dominance of spellcasters in the higher levels.

anyways, rather uncritical question, but thought i'd ask it because my head hurts too much right now to actually trace the advantages vs. disadvantages of the changes. maybe someone else can do my thinking for me Smile
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 19, 2004 9:51 pm    Post subject:

Warriors aren't weak at 50; they just don't have the edge over most classes that they did have from 1-45ish. The other downside is that warriors are very gear-intensive - you won't do too well as a L50 warrior with red dragon armor and a hell-blade, especially not compared to a shaman. At L50, Warriors should (theoretically) have to use tactics to defeat their magically-inclined foes, such as dirt kick, disarm, running around until a duplicate or two expires, etc. Not all that complex, but they generally don't win fights by standing tyhere swinging.
Then there was Ugula. Mage wrecking ball. It goes to show that equipment goes a long way...

The changes seem to make things more logical and to introduce tactics to fights. Previously, the given rule for fighters with Duel Wield and Shield Block was "vs. fighter, use shield; vs. mage, Dual Wield". With the introduction of the changes, it's not so simple anymore. Combine this with Double Grip and Preferred Weapons for warriors, and it looks to me as though warriors actually did get a nice little buff.

To sum up: as long as the changes prove to be more or less bug-free, they look like a good thing.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 19, 2004 10:32 pm    Post subject: Re:

Just wondering.. Did ambush change from this? Or is this some kind of bug?:

Hp:547/707 M:363/654 Mv:362/370 Exp:32735 Gp:1866 8pm forest
A Well-Used Trail Through The Forest
You are on a forest trail that runs in all directions but north, where
the forest skirts the sheer mountain face. Dew-covered hawthorn bushes
flank the east trail, along which several rangers are walking. It seems
to be the woodkeeper's outpost.

[Exits: east south west]
A nymph looks coyly at you, then winks mischievously and dances away.
A beautiful lady is talking to some animals here.
A dryad peers at you inquisitively from behind her tree.

Hp:547/707 M:363/654 Mv:359/370 Exp:32735 Gp:1866 8pm forest
camo
You attempt to camouflage yourself.

Hp:547/707 M:363/654 Mv:359/370 Exp:32735 Gp:1866 8pm forest
amb lady
You step out from your cover.
Your surprise attack decimates a lady ranger!
A lady ranger has a few scratches.

Hp:547/707 M:363/654 Mv:359/370 Exp:32735 Gp:1866 8pm forest
Your thrust MUTILATES a lady ranger!
Your thrust MUTILATES a lady ranger!
You parry a lady ranger's attack.
A lady ranger has a few scratches.

Hp:547/707 M:363/654 Mv:359/370 Exp:32735 Gp:1866 8pm forest
prof self amb

Your thrust DISEMBOWELS a lady ranger!
Your slice DISMEMBERS a lady ranger!
Your thrust DISEMBOWELS a lady ranger!
You dual parry a lady ranger's attack.
A lady ranger has some small wounds and bruises.

Hp:547/707 M:363/654 Mv:359/370 Exp:32735 Gp:1866 8pm forest
Your proficiency at ambush is 85%.
A lady ranger has some small wounds and bruises.

Hp:547/707 M:363/654 Mv:359/370 Exp:32735 Gp:1866 8pm forest
Your thrust DISMEMBERS a lady ranger!
Your slice decimates a lady ranger!
Your thrust MASSACRES a lady ranger!
Your thrust DISMEMBERS a lady ranger!
You dodge a lady ranger's attack.
A lady ranger has quite a few wounds.


And as if that wasn't enough...

Hp:455/707 M:372/654 Mv:370/370 Exp:32735 Gp:2045 9pm forest
camo
You attempt to camouflage yourself.

Hp:455/707 M:372/654 Mv:370/370 Exp:32735 Gp:2045 9pm forest
amb dryad
You step out from your cover.
Your surprise attack decimates a dryad!
A dryad has a few scratches.

Tell me is that a bug?
Quote:

You are Gygh the Keeper of the Glade, level 46.
Primary hitroll/damroll: 32/24
Offhand hitroll/damroll: 23/24
You are affected by the following:
Skill: barkskin : modifies ac by -69 for 3 hours
Skill: transform : modifies none by 0 for 3 hours
Skill: warcry : modifies save_spell by -5 for 2 hours
: modifies hitroll by 5 for 2 hours

You are using:
<used as light> (Glowing) a blood candle
<worn on finger> an opal ring
<worn on finger> an opal ring
<worn around neck> (Glowing) a flame red cape
<worn around neck> a teeth necklace
<worn on head> a mithril helm
<worn on ear> an earring set with a glowing red jewel
<worn on torso> a worn steel breastplate
<worn on arms> living wood arm plates
<worn on hands> (Humming) a pair of blood soaked gloves
<worn on legs> a set of mithril leggings
<worn on feet> a pair of mithril boots
<worn about body> a thick animal hide
<worn about waist> a leather bandit belt
<worn around wrist> an obsidian bracer
<worn around wrist> a white gold bracelet
<wielded> (Glowing) (Humming) a wooden spear
<dual wielded> a rusted iron sword
<stored in quiver> some bladed arrows (150)
<floating nearby> a deep red stone

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 19, 2004 11:07 pm    Post subject:

If you aren't really camouflaged, your ambush is much weaker than your camo'ed attack. Remember, 100% camo does not mean 100% success.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 19, 2004 11:16 pm    Post subject:

Gygh wrote:

amb lady
You step out from your cover.
Your surprise attack decimates a lady ranger!


He was successfully camouflaged.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 20, 2004 12:33 am    Post subject:

To all those who said AR was destined to die do to stagnation, and that the imms were against any kind of change whatsoever..

PWNT

I think we can all agree this beats out gargoyles, samurai and slith shamans.

I wonder how long it'll be before FL copies all of this?[/b]
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 20, 2004 1:25 am    Post subject:

I like all the changes. No bugs to report. By the way... FL isn't making any moves to copy yet, but betcha by new years they announce an update they've 'had in the works' and by valentines at latest our shits coded in. Good job, i'm testing all I can to look for any bugs in so far. None yet, and I love counterbalance with my bard. Halfer bards are nice.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 20, 2004 6:03 am    Post subject: Re:

Gygh wrote:
Just wondering.. Did ambush change from this? Or is this some kind of bug?:

Hp:547/707 M:363/654 Mv:362/370 Exp:32735 Gp:1866 8pm forest
A Well-Used Trail Through The Forest
You are on a forest trail that runs in all directions but north, where
the forest skirts the sheer mountain face. Dew-covered hawthorn bushes
flank the east trail, along which several rangers are walking. It seems
to be the woodkeeper's outpost.

[Exits: east south west]
A nymph looks coyly at you, then winks mischievously and dances away.
A beautiful lady is talking to some animals here.
A dryad peers at you inquisitively from behind her tree.

Hp:547/707 M:363/654 Mv:359/370 Exp:32735 Gp:1866 8pm forest
camo
You attempt to camouflage yourself.

Hp:547/707 M:363/654 Mv:359/370 Exp:32735 Gp:1866 8pm forest
amb lady
You step out from your cover.
Your surprise attack decimates a lady ranger!
A lady ranger has a few scratches.

Hp:547/707 M:363/654 Mv:359/370 Exp:32735 Gp:1866 8pm forest
Your thrust MUTILATES a lady ranger!
Your thrust MUTILATES a lady ranger!
You parry a lady ranger's attack.
A lady ranger has a few scratches.

Hp:547/707 M:363/654 Mv:359/370 Exp:32735 Gp:1866 8pm forest
prof self amb

Your thrust DISEMBOWELS a lady ranger!
Your slice DISMEMBERS a lady ranger!
Your thrust DISEMBOWELS a lady ranger!
You dual parry a lady ranger's attack.
A lady ranger has some small wounds and bruises.

Hp:547/707 M:363/654 Mv:359/370 Exp:32735 Gp:1866 8pm forest
Your proficiency at ambush is 85%.
A lady ranger has some small wounds and bruises.

Hp:547/707 M:363/654 Mv:359/370 Exp:32735 Gp:1866 8pm forest
Your thrust DISMEMBERS a lady ranger!
Your slice decimates a lady ranger!
Your thrust MASSACRES a lady ranger!
Your thrust DISMEMBERS a lady ranger!
You dodge a lady ranger's attack.
A lady ranger has quite a few wounds.


And as if that wasn't enough...

Hp:455/707 M:372/654 Mv:370/370 Exp:32735 Gp:2045 9pm forest
camo
You attempt to camouflage yourself.

Hp:455/707 M:372/654 Mv:370/370 Exp:32735 Gp:2045 9pm forest
amb dryad
You step out from your cover.
Your surprise attack decimates a dryad!
A dryad has a few scratches.

Tell me is that a bug?
Quote:

You are Gygh the Keeper of the Glade, level 46.
Primary hitroll/damroll: 32/24
Offhand hitroll/damroll: 23/24
You are affected by the following:
Skill: barkskin : modifies ac by -69 for 3 hours
Skill: transform : modifies none by 0 for 3 hours
Skill: warcry : modifies save_spell by -5 for 2 hours
: modifies hitroll by 5 for 2 hours

You are using:
<used as light> (Glowing) a blood candle
<worn on finger> an opal ring
<worn on finger> an opal ring
<worn around neck> (Glowing) a flame red cape
<worn around neck> a teeth necklace
<worn on head> a mithril helm
<worn on ear> an earring set with a glowing red jewel
<worn on torso> a worn steel breastplate
<worn on arms> living wood arm plates
<worn on hands> (Humming) a pair of blood soaked gloves
<worn on legs> a set of mithril leggings
<worn on feet> a pair of mithril boots
<worn about body> a thick animal hide
<worn about waist> a leather bandit belt
<worn around wrist> an obsidian bracer
<worn around wrist> a white gold bracelet
<wielded> (Glowing) (Humming) a wooden spear
<dual wielded> a rusted iron sword
<stored in quiver> some bladed arrows (150)
<floating nearby> a deep red stone


Bug, another side affect of fixing defences. Someone tried to multiply an int by 3/4 (pretty visible sign of someone with no coding experience, coding). It was a very old bug, but until now it was self-policing since the bug was unreachable. for the record, when you multiply by a 3/4, you multiply by 0
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 20, 2004 6:08 am    Post subject:

Quiet Wanderer wrote:
I like all the changes. No bugs to report. By the way... FL isn't making any moves to copy yet, but betcha by new years they announce an update they've 'had in the works' and by valentines at latest our shits coded in. Good job, i'm testing all I can to look for any bugs in so far. None yet, and I love counterbalance with my bard. Halfer bards are nice.


Lets not badmouth other muds on the forum, regardless of whether its justifiable, we can have a little more class than that.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 20, 2004 6:22 am    Post subject:

Also, let's keep the commentary on the General Feedback Thread and keep this one for bugs/implementation issues, like that ambush bug that was unearthed.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 21, 2004 1:20 pm    Post subject:

What are the legacies exactly? How do you obtain one? What is the risk or cost?
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 21, 2004 2:12 pm    Post subject:

You can read the help file from the webpage. Just go to
abandonedrealms.wolfpaw.net
and type
RACIAL LEGACY
into the help search box along the left.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 21, 2004 3:23 pm    Post subject:

Did still am a little confused.
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