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beia
Joined: 18 Mar 2006 Posts: 920 Location: Texas
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Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2016 4:54 pm Post subject: Prone |
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Prone is when you are knocked off your feet, you have to manually type stand when you have recovered before you can do any other commands. You would get the message, you have to stand up first. So bash/trip/air thrash/grapple and maybe I'm missing some but all would make you prone for a few moments. |
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Slogosh
Joined: 23 Jul 2016 Posts: 27
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Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2016 5:52 pm Post subject: |
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This is in response to the diminishing effectiveness of lag skills, isn't it? |
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Vevier Immortal
Joined: 23 Jul 2008 Posts: 1642 Location: everywhere
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Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2016 5:56 pm Post subject: |
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So you want to have another command to type after you've been bashed? Sounds pretty easy to trigger #tr {you are knocked prone} {stand}.
Why do you think this would be a valuable contribution to the game? |
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beia
Joined: 18 Mar 2006 Posts: 920 Location: Texas
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Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2016 6:39 pm Post subject: |
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It keeps people aware and does not let them just spam shit and hope they get lucky, if you get bashed you should have to react. If you get grappled to the ground you should have to stand up. Its that simple. If you trigger it then you trigger it fine, but still its a command you have to input. |
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Slogosh
Joined: 23 Jul 2016 Posts: 27
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Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2016 6:53 pm Post subject: |
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I see beia's point. It punishes people who spam, much like lag skills used to punish spamming.
Vevier, there is precedent for creating a new thing to trigger. People put being disarmed to trigger getting their weapon.
This is also true of weapon switches. You must use an extra command for weapon styles that involve shield so it is best triggered. |
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DigitalText
Joined: 29 Jun 2016 Posts: 88
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Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2016 8:01 pm Post subject: |
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I'm not understanding what's trying to be conveyed here. Not that I have to...I'm just another player. Can someone translate for me? |
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Olyn Immortal
Joined: 23 Jul 2008 Posts: 3248 Location: Pennsylvania
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Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2016 8:20 pm Post subject: |
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You realize that this would accomplish the opposite of your intent, right? |
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Nycticora
Joined: 09 Feb 2013 Posts: 2277
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Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2016 11:50 pm Post subject: |
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I think you can already go prone via the "dive" command |
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beia
Joined: 18 Mar 2006 Posts: 920 Location: Texas
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Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2016 1:01 am Post subject: |
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Please reply with constructive comments. Thanks. I am looking for feedback not sarcasm and asinine comments. |
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Olyn Immortal
Joined: 23 Jul 2008 Posts: 3248 Location: Pennsylvania
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Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2016 1:18 am Post subject: |
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Oh, I was being serious. Having to manually stand up would allow the player to clear his spammed commands, resulting in the opposite of your intent. I think the current mechanic is fine because the guy who spammed his commands is stuck with them.
dirt
dirt
dirt
You can't dirt kick while on the ground!
You can't dirt kick while on the ground!
You can't dirt kick while on the ground!
You are finally able to stand up.
stand
You stand up.
dirt
Your kick dirt scratches other guy. |
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Slogosh
Joined: 23 Jul 2016 Posts: 27
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Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2016 2:21 am Post subject: |
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That's not what I read.
Dirt
-you must stand up first-
Dirt
-you must stand up first-
Dirt
-you must stand up first-
You have been KILLED!
How would it clear their spam? Just induce the same lag as the attempted move. If you wanted to put it in the game. |
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Olyn Immortal
Joined: 23 Jul 2008 Posts: 3248 Location: Pennsylvania
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Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2016 2:43 am Post subject: |
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That would be inconsistent with every other skill behavior in the game when conditions aren't met.
disarm
They're not wielding a weapon.
trip
Their feet aren't on the ground.
barrage
You aren't dual wielding.
sideswipe
You aren't wearing a shield.
dirt
dirt
dirt
You'd better stand up first.
You'd better stand up first.
You'd better stand up first. |
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Slogosh
Joined: 23 Jul 2016 Posts: 27
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Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2016 2:55 am Post subject: |
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I see what you mean. |
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Vevier Immortal
Joined: 23 Jul 2008 Posts: 1642 Location: everywhere
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Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2016 2:03 pm Post subject: |
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I think it's counterintuitive to tell my character to stand when she's been knocked down. I don't need to tell my character to breath, I shouldn't need to tell a fighter to get up off the ground and keep fighting. |
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DigitalText
Joined: 29 Jun 2016 Posts: 88
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Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2016 1:37 am Post subject: |
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beia wrote: |
Please reply with constructive comments. Thanks. I am looking for feedback not sarcasm and asinine comments. |
If that was applicable to my clarification request, I meant no offense. Especially considering you were to first one to respond to my introduction post. That and the responses of others were greatly appreciated. I wanted to be sure I understood the purpose(s) behind which the idea was offered before adding my own thoughts. I was also buying myself time to try and think of how to add them without it being mistaken for ridicule. If there's anything I misunderstood, please correct me.
One was:
beia wrote: |
It keeps people aware and does not let them just spam shit and hope they get lucky,... |
And two, later posted by Slogosh:
Slogosh wrote: |
...It punishes people who spam, much like lag skills used to punish spamming. |
That I can see, there's an immersion argument and a deterrent argument.
With the faster pace PK introduces after it starts, immersion seems to already suck one in, concerning one of the main purposes for which PK is a part of a MUD. A heart-pumping thrill of the chase and of being chased until aggressor or defender are neutralized.
Far as the other purpose goes, I think the exchange of your ass, from their hands to yours, is already a great deterrent with regard to engaging PK incorrectly. One way as it's discussed here, being the spam roulette. |
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tayyah
Joined: 20 May 2011 Posts: 597
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Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2016 3:00 pm Post subject: |
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isnt this already implemented?? fuck happens to me all the time from those damn lady rangers!
lady ranger trips you
you better stand up first
you better stand up first
you better stand up first |
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DigitalText
Joined: 29 Jun 2016 Posts: 88
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Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2016 6:19 pm Post subject: |
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That was part of my bid for further clarification up there. I've run into the same kind of thing. Still, I went ahead and addressed it the way I did to err on the fact I'm a noob, and maybe I imagined it.
Or something.
Yeah. |
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