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That half-elf racial training bonus
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Half-elf training
I prefer playing half-elfs for most of my life
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I guess gnomes should be the best at learning spells huh
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oh god more changes D:
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Davairus
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2017 9:09 pm    Post subject: That half-elf racial training bonus

How do you guys feel about having the currently "half-elf" training boost being a buff from having the secrets found instead. It would be exactly the same as it is now just find them and have it on any character you want.
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Kedaleam
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2017 9:29 pm    Post subject:

Ha ha those options.
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Olyn
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2017 9:36 pm    Post subject:

Seems fine. Half-elves don't need it exclusively these days.
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Ergorion



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2017 9:39 pm    Post subject:

How many secrets would you need to find and would you get a message letting you know that you're now a half-elf?

Also, I feel like once people figured out exactly what to do it would just get scripted into everyone's build and everyone would have a learning bump.

If this does happen, I think half-elves would need some sort of buff. Maybe legacy related.

Another consequence of this change would be bladefurry would rank characters to 50 so much faster because what used to take him 50 hours of training would now take only 25 which would then decrease the half life of his characters as a whole creating at least one bladefurry nerd rage per week.
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ottif



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2017 11:16 pm    Post subject:

I like
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Stephen2Aus



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2017 11:24 pm    Post subject:

Used to be this way, if I recall. Some quests were worth more than others - amulets in Elemental Canyon, reading writing on sewer walls... OR that could have all been urban legend!

I seriously hate low learning rates (e.g., Giants) it's my most hated thing. Half-Elf learning is a lot of fun.

Anything we can do to boost training rates in general would be pretty cool in my opinion...
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Davairus
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2017 12:16 am    Post subject:

Secrets are tied to your verified account so that once you've verified the account, it doesn't have to be found again for any character on that character ever. There wouldn't be any "speedbump", most people have a load. I don't remember if that was communicated though so my apologies on that. I agree half-elf could stand to get a replacement, I was thinking like innate ability to sense a secret is in the room
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Ergorion



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2017 12:21 am    Post subject:

To keep the idea of the half-elf learning bonus and the secrets providing a learning bump, half-elves could benefit more per secret than the other races.
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Davairus
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2017 1:07 am    Post subject:

That is not on offer.
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Andrael



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2017 1:20 am    Post subject:

Dav, if I have a character that is deleted before this change, and had a good number of secrets, will all of my characters have those secrets found now? Or would it have to be character that is currently alive? Cause I just checked my character, and they only have the secrets they found.
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Andrael



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2017 1:20 am    Post subject:

In other words, is the account wide secrets found retroactive.
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Davairus
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2017 1:34 am    Post subject:

Nope. I was going to hold off announcing until 3 months had passed but cats out of bag now.
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ivindel



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2017 1:58 am    Post subject:

Well, if this happens, it is bound to bring the half-elf population down a notch.
I mean, come on, why would you want to roll a half-elf if not for the innate training boost right? Haha
Personally, I am agreeable with this proposed change since I do not play half-elfs for the most part Smile This would certainly help to boost those idiotic giants' training curves.
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Davairus
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2017 2:09 am    Post subject:

ivindel that's a very good and important question to answer in this thread. Suggestions are needed
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Nycticora



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2017 4:23 am    Post subject:

I tried but I just don't give a shit about this lol
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Olyn
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2017 4:43 am    Post subject:

I personally like half-elves and have played several. The training bonus was never a factor for me. I really think they're fine without it.
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Ceridwel
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2017 4:45 am    Post subject:

HE's are my goto race and I hated the idea of removing their innate ability to learn faster....until Dav posed the idea of replacing that with an innate ability to sense secrets in rooms and now I want to marry that idea and have kids with it.
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Kedaleam
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2017 4:52 am    Post subject:

I think the reason I personally played Half-elf was for the racial legacies. I like all of them since they give it a little something extra.

Side note and relatively back on topic. I've always been a fan of finding the secrets. And I think this would get more people to track them down, or reward the people that have already.
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Dogran
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 05, 2017 2:24 am    Post subject:

I like the idea. Of course now I need to go secret hunting...
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Davairus
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2017 1:44 am    Post subject:

Imms held discussion today and determined the secret-detecting skill would be better placed on the Mystics. I think we're hung up on a bit of technicality; they aren't losing anything if the account already has all the secrets done.

I think we are fine because of racial legacies. I will check and make sure half-elf race/class combos all have racial legacies provided before we make this switch.
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