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Keepers cabal : rename considration
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Would you support Keepers being called "Hammer"
Yes please.
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NOOOOOOOO
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Davairus
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 31, 2017 8:06 pm    Post subject: Keepers cabal : rename considration

Names are important. They cause us to make judgments.

That being said, I think "Keeper" is a bit passive, perhaps it suited the cabal when it went out, but it was one of many lackluster options we discussed, and it doesn't look like a very good fit for the modern hog riding badasses they are now.

I would like to propose the name "Hammer".

1) You are seeing a guy with [HAMMER] on his name in the who list. This leaves no doubt that the guy is probably out looking for a nail to crush.
2) It is a very subtle pun on their hogs of war thing, they have a bit of pig lore, and the word "hammer" contains "ham". We could call them the Hammerhogs, or we could call them "the hammer".
3) It sounds more war-like than keeper without sounding either aligned, chaotic or lawful. I see better appeal for their membership.
4) We could be dumb and yell "ITS HAMMER TIME" or "ITS HAMMERING TIME" if thats less OOC

Thoughts please. Can you see a cabal HAMMER in AR
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Kato



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 31, 2017 8:20 pm    Post subject:

I've never seen the hogs as pigs, so that is lost on me. These are keeper hogs:




BRRRRRRROOOOOOM!

Cry havoc and let slip the hogs of war!
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 31, 2017 9:33 pm    Post subject:

hmm I think we can do better but I'm not against the rename

I want to hear bladefurry's opinion before I decide

I see Keeper as being the guys who will group up with anybody for a gangbang on someone too strong, that guy threatens the balance and he needs to be dropped. Fairness isn't part of the equation.

I recently had an interaction with Keepers who had taken the Legion skull and the cabal captures for all the cabals caught up and were pretty even. They wanted to give the Skull back to preserve the balance. I was like WTF are you doing, that is WAY too passive. Why not go take ALL the other cabal items if you think having one is unbalanced? No wonder everyone thought keepers were boring.

Then a guy comes along and plays a Keeper the way I haven't seen one played since Crisbin and everyone shits on it and says it was like a legion and had shitty RP and I'm just sitting here like WTF
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 31, 2017 9:49 pm    Post subject:

i just had an idea for a burning hammer skill you can throw that breaks walls temporarily

like you would throw your hammer east in the meat store and open a temporary exit.
this could be used to cut out portions of tracking
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jaux



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 31, 2017 9:49 pm    Post subject:

How about Negan?
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 31, 2017 11:47 pm    Post subject:

what does that mean jaux
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Ceridwel
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 01, 2017 12:25 am    Post subject:

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Lorne
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 01, 2017 12:55 am    Post subject:

Sentry.
Punisher.
Redeemer.
Vindicator.
Avenger.
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Nycticora



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 01, 2017 3:24 am    Post subject:

is there a name that implies they work in groups or are a brotherhood? I think Lorne's suggestions are getting close.

But HAMMER is kind of growing on me
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Lorne
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 01, 2017 4:15 am    Post subject:

SYNDICATE
SINNER
PREDATOR
APEX


Now I'm just saying stuff...
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Nycticora



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 01, 2017 5:16 am    Post subject:

we need more predators in AR
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Dogran
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 01, 2017 5:19 am    Post subject:

I like Predator.
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jaux



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 01, 2017 1:57 pm    Post subject:

How about hypocrites, it means two faced in greek. One day a keeper is your friend the next they are your foe. Negan is the bad ass group from walking dead dav. Like the best show going these days.
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Bladefury

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 01, 2017 2:10 pm    Post subject:

YES rename them...I have complained about it 101 times because if your a keeper KEEPING the balance it suggest that your more of a reactive passive force rather than the badass hog RIDING (bikergang) mother fucker who want to roll in and get whats his and do what mishtkah did. I'd even re-vote mishtkah HoE if we are actually thinking about the changes we are talking about.
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Bladefury

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 01, 2017 2:13 pm    Post subject:

also we should consider possibly making people wearing shit like titanium tenor one of the best sets dangers or have a star system for it like the justices do, someones pimped to fuck they get a 1/3 stars 2 stars being 1 they invaded your cabal, or are to high on the pk list 3 stars is war time bitches. something like that ya know?
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 01, 2017 2:17 pm    Post subject:

vindicators, or predators sounds sweet.
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Xenyar
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 01, 2017 4:09 pm    Post subject:

I say just leave it with Keepers for now. It makes sense, and we're all use to it now. I think it fits them anyways.
Definetly don't like Hammer time.. can't touch this!
Unless there is a majority census on a new name, just leave as is.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 01, 2017 7:14 pm    Post subject:

predator kind of alludes to sexual misbehavior these days. I know you guys didnt mean that but its wise to be mindful of what your words are representing. We wouldnt do that one
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Dogran
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 01, 2017 8:22 pm    Post subject:

Didn't even consider that angle.
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DigitalText



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 01, 2017 9:24 pm    Post subject:

"Arbitrator" comes to mind. They do after all, arbitrarily assert their views on a Serin-wide scale....with a pummel (<--yes, a pun there) squared beneath a clenched fist...or two clenched fists. Depends on whether two-handing or dual wielding. So I get the "Hammer" angle, too. I think everyone is glued to "Keeper" though, as they're Keepers of Balance. Hammer of Balance does seem to fit them a lot better though. Maintaining balance is an aggressive endeavor because equilibrium will tip eventually.

Side note: Predators need to be lined up and shot. By authorities of (and within the confines of) law, of course. I'm not talking about vigilantism.
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