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Offhand alacrity/quick wield - why don't Warriors have it?
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Oxyl



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 16, 2017 4:09 am    Post subject: Offhand alacrity/quick wield - why don't Warriors have it?

Seems to me that Warriors, as the masters of combat, should have a quick wield/offhand alacrity -type skill. I'm sure there's a good reason why they don't, but I don't see it. Especially with no healing.
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Ty



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 16, 2017 8:47 am    Post subject:

Quick wield doesn't discriminate with type or weight, it's purely dexterous.
Perhaps there is a way to code the high-dex races to have a racial legacy for quick wield with warriors? Drow, halfling, elf, so on..
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Ty



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 16, 2017 8:49 am    Post subject:

I wouldn't expect a big oaf to quick wield anything. A clumsy giant quickly wielding anything? That's laughable.
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Olyn
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 16, 2017 11:46 am    Post subject:

I'd say it's because Warriors get double grip.
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Ergorion



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 16, 2017 12:11 pm    Post subject:

It's because those skills were introduced to help rogues compete with warriors because rogues were getting face stomped.
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Andrael



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 16, 2017 6:32 pm    Post subject:

off hand alacrity is to help rangers though.
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Ozaru



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2017 7:09 am    Post subject:

After a certain hit dam combat style and weapon match up don't matter. Scarr destroyed my warlord duel wielding with weapons disadvantaged against a bow.
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Nycticora



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2017 9:01 am    Post subject:

I have two strategies with dks:

1. get damroll to 30 and forget about it, everything else in defense
2. have like 80 damroll and negative hitroll

with 1 you bait them into aggro mobs and wait for them to fuck up
with 2 you either kill them on the first round of combat or you leave

I've basically never seen anyone else use this strategy since the 90s

Tayyah had a couple good dks but he kept dying because he was trying to fight people.

edit: posted this in the wrong thread, this was supposed to go in the protection poll Sad


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Merlandox



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2017 2:20 pm    Post subject:

Or just gang bang. That works all the time.
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Flyndance



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2017 5:33 pm    Post subject:

Why bother about strategies. Just gank them. And don't bother overpowering berserk or warcry. It's useless.
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Nycticora



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2017 6:22 pm    Post subject:

overpower uses a skill at a higher level. It's the same as if you were however many levels higher and used the skill.

I won't take berserk and warcry out of the list of skills that can be overpowered because there are some situations where it is useful.
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Flyndance



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 19, 2017 7:25 am    Post subject:

you don't get additional duration or hit/dam from overpowering them. Then what's the point of overpowering them?
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Nycticora



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 19, 2017 9:30 am    Post subject:

if I gave you the answer what would be the fun in it?

How about you ask yourself under what strange corner case circumstances having a level bonus on a skill would be beneficial?
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Ergorion



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 19, 2017 3:20 pm    Post subject:

Trying to use skills on level 60 mobs?
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Flyndance



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 19, 2017 3:45 pm    Post subject:

yes I am going to overpower warcry so that it can be heard across the realms. Please...
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Faelon
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 19, 2017 4:24 pm    Post subject:

Okay. So I know you are aware of all scenarios, as we have heard and seen, everyone else here is incapable of understanding your perspective, which is the only one that matters.

Because I like it when people are wrong when they act like arrogant sods, I'm going to throw out one good example of why I would overpower warcry;

Stunning warcry.
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grant



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 19, 2017 5:04 pm    Post subject:

This shit isn't rocket science.
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Davairus
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 19, 2017 7:21 pm    Post subject:

The reason why warriors dont have offhand alacrity is because we are treating rangers as an ambidextrous class (i believe this is rooted in dnd) and what that amounts to is having no hitroll penalty for your offhand. Also you may have noticed that warriors have other stuff rangers lack for the same reasons. Its done to distinguish classes. Without distinguishing them all classes would be the same and its really variety that makes a mud.
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Flyndance



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 05, 2017 4:07 pm    Post subject:

An overpowered warcry does not have the effect of stunning warry, stop misleading people.
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Nycticora



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 05, 2017 5:36 pm    Post subject:

it's tough to read some of the stuff you post flyndance

you should reread the message you're replying to repeatedly until you understand it. If you don't, you probably won't ever understand what overpower is for or how and why to use it

since you don't seem to know what it does, I can't respond to your criticisms meaningfully

since I'm an immortal, I don't think I should be posting things too specific about skills on the forum. It would be wrong for me to explain in detail the specifics of the skill, since it would deprive you and potentially other players of the experience of testing it and learning it. I can tell you for sure that there are players in this thread who know exactly what it does, when to use it, and what skills to use it on.


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