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Vanisse
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 8:16 am    Post subject:

- non-quest mobs should respawn faster now, so you can rank easier.
- slimy sword taking should be fixed.
- killing things quest parts should be fixed.
- dunno wtf the dirt thing was about, he doesn't dirt anymore for now.
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Mandor



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 3:06 pm    Post subject:

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lol. somehow I dont think its working as intended.
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Davairus
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 3:24 pm    Post subject:

Holy crap.

Re: the stat maxing issue - you guys have had it too good for too long with that. We want to see people using goblin eq & scavenging in the orc mountains because that stuff has stats on it. Blue gem & steel belt and pearl necklace, etc. We provided double training to help people to fill out huge deficits, not to make rolling easier.

Re: the AC issue - yeah that doesnt sound right. I want to see you guys spend 5 or 6 rounds fighting at least though, even if you are a fir egiant.
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Mandor



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 3:38 pm    Post subject:

Yes, I was thinking the same thing with regards to newbie stats, and its only for a few levels so I guess I wouldnt matter that much. as for scavenging at those levels though, better off waiting til level 6 or something. and low int/wis races are most hurt by it, really. take longer to build up extra practices for trains.

also adept of burzuk: doesnt take knapsack you retreive for him, and used to give you a second one with the items in it, now gives a second empty one. change to fill current knapsack with those items or take knap and give a knap with those.

also with the respawn rate so high on flea monsters and rats, there's a lot of extra sub issue eq sitting on the ground. recommend a storm-like wipe very 2 minutes or so for things sitting on the ground.

http://www.invokation.net/logs/view.php?id=2805
brave soul..
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_Clifton_
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 5:10 pm    Post subject:

100 movement, and low movement regeneration makes traveling distances like the orc mountains impractical. 30 seconds for moving 3 rooms, no thanks.
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Slade
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 7:53 pm    Post subject:

Nah, its important to have the +1 int, con, wis, on the sub-issue pieces. Its only until the person is strong enough to get the steel belt, shaman robe, etc. But you shouldn't have to wait until like level 8 just to put your practices in because you just got enough int to 1-prac.
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Mandor



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 8:27 pm    Post subject:

I can agree with this, yet at the same time its the reason the place tells you practice wis and con first. it seems like they want people to have to work for it at lowbie levels, instead of having an easy time just powerranking out of mud school.

intelligence does play a very important role in training, something thats hard to max out if you go for wis and con first. and when you need those items at the very beginning is when theyre inaccessible, thus the reason for strings of teeth and base equipment that enhanced your stats, and so on.

btw, you still spawn with a combat torso with +1 wis.
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Slade
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 8:46 pm    Post subject:

Um, I'm going off the assumption that you have already spent your 3 double effect trains. The reality is that even if you use those on your int, wis, con gaps, many combos are still well short of their int, wis, or con maxes. Thus they will have to wait to practice until they get shaman robe for 1 pracs, possibly wait until they a wis item to even level for all their pracs per level, or wait to even level until they can get a steel belt to get all their hps per level.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 9:25 pm    Post subject:

and I did not disagree with that, in fact I thought I was agreeing via my statement on intelligence. if you try rolling certain combos you can see there's actually roll maximum penalties involved in the more powerful combos, which thus makes it harder for them. wis and should be the max so you get as many practices as your race can, and better health.
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Davairus
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 4:37 am    Post subject:

Its like the advise always has said.. max your wis and con first. And thats the stats provided on the diploma, being that they're ideal. With the stats on the diploma and the trains available at level 1, you already have up to +8 quickly, and up to +7 into one stat if you really focus on it. I can't think of a class that starts with a stat that far from its max, can you?

Anyway with the double trains its a little moot.

Getting your stats maxed is presented as a problem to vet players, stops them speeding so quickly out of newb levels and deleting over the first bad gain. There are others, like.. no-exits need recall, the boogum, the grand pooh ba. Packs of two things instead of one. Mashaldun in later levels. Recall potions costing money.. Those are all problems. Use your imagination and do stuff like sitting by the priest at level 1 to wait for his free awesome bless. While you're there you can check the pits. Maybe some kind high level will think about newbs and stuff a few goblin eq in them. .

Forget the set bonus and the quick exp reward.. that was just an oversight that'll be gotten around to. Obviously there are some problems in there, partly because AR is a well-developed game, also because Vanisse has been allowed to work on the progs/resets of mudschool as part of her Imm-training.
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Mandor



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 6:04 am    Post subject:

hey some progress is better than just sitting around talking about it. Vanisse did a good job all things considered and still being green at it.

as for your suggestions, not really fair to new players is it? their first time through they wont know about this. Just seems to give vets more of an edge, not by making them stronger but by making new players weaker needlessly.

Actually high int and wis classes will not be able to one prac without stat boosting items, which hurts new players, not vets who spend 20 minutes rolling, 50 gathering perfect eq and such. whats the problem of people deleting and starting over after one death? doesnt seem to cause any harm that I can tell.

also the diploma's usefulness requires you to have deficiency of exactly one, to perfectly round out the stats it effects, tricky to do that with a nice roll. just creates more needless work. its becoming all too complicated at this stage and not very newbie friendly.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 5:27 pm    Post subject:

Mandor wrote:
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lol. somehow I dont think its working as intended.


serves me right for attempting to do this at 3am. Embarassed Embarassed anyway it should be fixed now...knock on wood...

adept of burzuk and sub issue extras have also been fixed.

SORRIES.
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Davairus
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 8:23 am    Post subject:

If there's nothing left to fix here, I'm ready to move on to something new. Let me know if there are any problems left after you see this post.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 6:04 pm    Post subject:

I like the new school, alot of running around, but not to hard to follow. There are a few "will this ever end fights," but not bad.

Problem is that when I finished thoes quests and went to my guild master. He said, "Prove yourself by killing the warg rider." Ok I asked the Justice and he said to rank to level 10 and the quest will update, but the whole point of quests is to help people to rank.

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Davairus
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 5:30 pm    Post subject:

Right now I'm just in the thinking stage.. I mean, I can't see why visit a guild at all, quest wise, it doesn't make sense to me as a part of a progressive questing hub. I'd much rather have unique stuff for every class deriving from that place, and leave the boss kills to just the merc bar and the cityguard HQ. Finishing the tower caverns needs to lead you into killing goblins, and then after choosing how to finish that quest (i.e. whether evil or not evil - probably whether you chose to save the elf or kill him), you'll then end up going onto either elves or oozes, and then onto serpents or brownies, etc etc.

Basically what I just said is there's no urge to fix the warg rider thing because, like has been said, it fixes itself at level 10, and its going to be written out of the game.
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