Weapon switch lag change

[Abandoned Realms]

We're all aware that rapid weapon-switch followed up with uber skill is something that
needed addressing somehow, and we introduced lag as a way to curtail it. However, this
proves problematic since lag allows your opponent to escape, only to return with a
"here's one I made earlier" combat style to serve you with , and attempt to use said
uber skill before you have a chance to react to it.

What I decided to do, and admittedly this is a little rough, but better, is that
instead of "lag", swapping of weapons will place you into an intermediate state
between combat styles. Its natural to think that a fighter needs time to settle
properly into a new combat style, and that's basically what it is enforcing.

So let me summarize the main points of how this now works:

* You will not gain your combat advantage until a round or two after swapping
the weapon (this duration is lowered by quick wield) ... your opponent will still
percieve you as in an advantaged state via his prompt, as this information is
important to give him the opportunity to decide what his next move is. But
really you are waiting out the intermediate state.

* You will have access to your combat skills / hobble/etc immediately after
the switching, however you should be aware that you are trying them against
a state which is not superior. Those skills have checks against that, and
many do not work to their full potential. This is why I say it is a rough
solution, because I haven't checked out all the case for this.

* Things like concentrate, weapon advantage, etc, (passive) are also affected
by the state, so you should try to stay in combat.

* There is no "lag" anymore.

In future perhaps we will have "murder" cause some problem, but for now I would
just like to see how this impacts the skills, i.e., what its success are and
where it fails.

[Voltron]

[Davairus]

Not sure why I wrote that, but it'll make sense when you try it. Fleeing has no affect on this stuff, obviously there is no need for it.

[Voltron]

Alright. Thanks Dav.

[Davairus]

Lets call it "off balance" or something, rather than throw around the word "state".

[Kaniyre]

Given a situation where a rogue wields a dagger ready for sidestep, while his opponent is wielding a shaft. The opponent proceeds to wield a segment, and just before sidestep lands, the opponent's weapon style changes from shaft to segment. Will sidestep still land successfully?

[Davairus]

That will go through in time easily - I'm trying to make the thing a bit more subtle and natural, and it makes sense for switch to require agility in combat. But sidestep skill probably just checks if its dagger vs shaft, right? If it was a generalized skill for advantage, like "wild attack", or "concentration", that will be subjected to interference. I am only aware of hobble being generalized as far as active skills go, but probably there are others that depend more strictly on the matchup.

I feel its a lot safer to tweak these passives than try to apply blunt force to every skill like the previous approach did. What I am looking for you tell me , honestly, is whether or not you feel more confident pk'ing using this approach. Personally, I will feel better with thinking my skills are ready to use, and feel able to pursue opponent - not having to worry about losing those passives for 1 to 2 rounds. But we'll see how it plays out. I'm sure the logs will soon reveal the issues.

[Voltron]

Double grip still lags for a couple rounds if done during combat...

[Vhrael]

Double-grip is a combat SKILL, not the same as weapon-switching. You don't have proficiency for weapon-switching, you do have proficiency with double-grip.

[Esivole]

correct, it does have a percentage. but logically speaking (and i know sometimes we have to supersede that for balance,) how would i lag myself for two rounds just for tightening my grip on something i am already using with two hands.

[_Clifton_]

logically speaking.. how would i be able to conjure up a flame arrow?



game mechanics are game mechanics...

[Stiehl26]

Clif obviously isn't playing a class that can double grip...when he is his opinion will change.

[Voltron]

I guess that makes sense that double grip is a skill. But it also kinda makes it a whole lot less useful.

On another note, even if you flee and change weapons when you re-engage it's still a neutral style. This is true if you switch weapons right before the fight. As in change weapons before combat has even ever started. I don't know if that was intended, just passing on the information because it didn't seem to be mentioned in the first note.

[Esivole]

I'll put it this way. Before weapon lag was introduced, there was no lag for double gripping. Since the lag has been removed, perhaps this was supposed to be removed as well? Maybe not. That's up to the imps obviously. I'm just glad my 2 cents is added....

and appreciated. /sarcasm-@clif

[Erlwith]

[Kaniyre]

According to the new change, shouldn't it work like this: When a warrior double grips, it would take a round or two for combat style to change from defensive/dual wield to two-handed?

[Voltron]

It does take a round or two to switch styles Kaniyre. It ALSO adds two (or three?) rounds of lag where you can't do anything. Which isn't the case with any other weapon change.

[Davairus]

Thing is, double grip is really good. Does it still insta-remove shields? If not, we can (possibly) remove the lag from that. Otherwise its worth lagging the warrior for.

[Dogran]

It still instaremoves whatever happens to be in offhand. It does have a strangely long lag.

[Vhrael]