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PostPosted: Sat Sep 18, 2004 6:40 am    Post subject: Doppelganger removed

Doppelganger has been removed from illusionist spell set, due
to some critical problems with its design. Discussion about
this decision with the implementors of AR may be taken up on
our forums.
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Brains



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 19, 2004 5:55 pm    Post subject:

Thus my second-favorite Illusionist skill perishes.

The first being Ventriloquate.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 19, 2004 11:58 pm    Post subject:

Ventriloquate got the axe? When?
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Clifton



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 20, 2004 12:14 am    Post subject:

Sad I loved that spell..
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 20, 2004 2:22 am    Post subject:

my idea was that doppel only work on those in pk range and make the act of doppeling a justice a flaggable offense.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 20, 2004 2:23 am    Post subject:

and also having guild guardians see through doppelganger.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 20, 2004 2:46 am    Post subject:

But then you still will find people that find some way to abuse it, won't name names.. *cough* CLIFTON *cough*.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 20, 2004 5:05 am    Post subject:

That defeats the whole purpose of the guise.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 20, 2004 1:25 pm    Post subject:

This is because we look at every skill from a pure pk perspective.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 20, 2004 3:33 pm    Post subject:

You always look at a skill through a pk perspective so to maintain the balance. AFTERWARDS, you look at a skill through a rp perspective.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 24, 2004 1:04 pm    Post subject:

In my mind, this should be very easy to fix by making the mobs in question "check" for the spell flag on the character before yelling. "You don't belong here, A sneaky illusionist!" 'Course, things aren't always as they seem and my leet perl skillz probably aren't up to the task.

Still, Doppelganger is definitely on my list of top five favorite skills/spells in AR bar none. I'd very much like to see it return in some shape or form.
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Itiggidy



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 21, 2004 7:09 am    Post subject:

oh yeah gj, yay, great going....
doppleganger was a great skill! it was supposed to be done so you could make it look like you are actually another person! how could this be abused tell me? its supposed to be so you can imitate people or make their reputation drop by doppling them and attacking friends who associated with the character in question.

the uses for it from an rp perspective were endless and as for pk perspective? to me, both go hand in hand. if it was abuse like OOCing to annoy people while doppled as someone couldnt the imms see through it and know it was this other person? thats the only type of abuse I can think of for this spell, but for vet players why would they stoop that low? otherwise what would be abuse? whatever you call it, thats the way the class was supposed to work in the 50s. a gnome isnt going to win a fight very often but with doppleganger he could make enemies for his enemy whom he doppled and get him killed.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 21, 2004 7:12 am    Post subject:

....Posted: Sat Sep 18, 2004 6:40 am Post subject: Doppelganger removed.........

Was something to do with dopplegangering people and having them attack others, so the yell would appear from the dopple and get the other person wanted I believe.
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Itiggidy



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 21, 2004 7:15 am    Post subject:

and thanks to the inability to edit posts here I have to add this spell is for using subversion tactics, I mean, woudlnt it be fun to find an enemy of yours walking around, dopple him, attack someone else, then flee back to your enemy, undopple and have the other guy attack your enemy and as they fight come in and kill him. or both of them if they were both your enemies..
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Itiggidy



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 21, 2004 7:18 am    Post subject:

from both an rp AND pk perspective that was the whole point angelic. maybe if the justices were more aware of who was around, like checking the who list to see two characters with the EXACT same name and title, it wouldnt have been an "abuse" as you poeple call it. in fact itcould rp-ly seperate the justices into three kinds, ones who are lazy and attack the first one to be flagged, one that kills them both, and one that actually tries to hunt down the REAL criminal.
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Itiggidy



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 21, 2004 7:21 am    Post subject:

mostly I think the people who played justices were pissed off because they kept getting told they were doing their job badly because in real life they were too lazy to be aware and look at the who list all the time like you vet people say players should do 3-8 seconds at a time, and so they are pissed because it forces them to use their brain rather than react to a yell by an auto flag and just dumb run around with guards and kill someone with their overpowered bodyguards..

and again thx for the no edit..
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Sebryn



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 21, 2004 7:28 am    Post subject:

Uh, Itiggidy...

Top-right corner of your posts.

Looks like this:
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Itiggidy



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 21, 2004 7:42 am    Post subject:

ok smart guy you try it. this is the announcements area. you cant edit your own posts, be logged in, go to the announcements page, and then go hee and try to edit your post. I cant, youwont be able to either.
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Itiggidy



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 21, 2004 7:43 am    Post subject:

btw I know how to edit posts, but in this one even when youre logged in, only reply shows up. at least thats the way it is for me. so if you can do it then Im being screwed with, but if you cant then tadaa..
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Itiggidy



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 21, 2004 7:44 am    Post subject:

ehm I mean the quote button as in qoute in reply, can some imm gather all my posts into one please as I dont like double posting but the edit feature IS NOT showing up in this forum page area (announcements)
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