Everything was grand, fifteen and pledged to be married. Life was just
coming along for this young woman, and she was thrilled to step into the
next chapter of her life. Disaster struck in the form of a series of
murders. She was to meet her intended for dinner with her family, and she
had went to gather some special ingredients. She came home to her house
burning. On rushing in to try and save her family, what she found will
forever give her nightmares. Her intended covered in blood thrusting a
dagger in and out of her little sister, her parents already brutally
stabbed. She screamed reaching for a kitchen knife, when he turned on her
murder in his eyes. She was stabbed several times, but when it was done, he
was lying there in a pool of his own blood, slowly dying. In his last
moments it was like he was suddenly better. Another voice spoke from his
mouth and chilled her blood. "This tool has served its purpose; you will
not survive here." At that her house collapsed with her in it. When she
next came aware, her body was wracked with pain. She was restrained in a
strange bed healers bustling around her in a hurry. She learned that most
of the town had suffered the same fate as her, but that she was one of the
lucky ones. And she learned that they were able to save her wing, but she
was covered in many burns. When she was finally as recovered as she would
be she set out to learn more about what had happened. With it she began to
pick up a new skill-set, and with that her story began.
Description:
Pale storm blue eyes meet your gaze the turmoil within striking a chord
within you. The intensity of her gaze is so unnerving that have trouble
breaking eye contact. When finally, you take in the rest of her, what
stands before you is quite disfigured. How were the horrible burn marks on
her face not the first thing you saw? Skin angry and red, as if it is the
natural color covers her face and whole right side of her body. Pale blond
hair is cut almost militantly short with a single lock dangling into her
right pitch black, and slightly charred. Her arms while skinny still appear
feminine, her form looking face. Large feathered wings extend from her
back, the left side white, the almost too skinny. Lastly this figure while
obviously female, her bust does not seem built to impress, barely there, but
what you can see obviously charred like the rest of her.
This was me, I lost interest in this character before I hit 50 due to getting inducted the same day I created, untrained etc. Was pretty disturbed by the whole process and my whole time at 50 seemed like it was spent gearing other knights. Got bored, stayed bored, playing something else now.
Ozaru
1 , 1 , 0 .
You applied to a cabal and got inducted quickly, promoted and went on winter runs with your cabal to help other people?? Damn that sounds rough....
hamsandwich
3 , 0 , 0 .
Don't send in an application until you're done training.
Faelon
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Inducted same day, with no training is not a standard process. Point of fact, it's highly unusual in AR's history. Typically cabal's want to know you are actually serious about the character, understand how it works, etc...
I guess you don't remember the part where I told you to stop at 40 until you had the things mastered that I charged you with.
If you got bored and stayed bored it seems to me like you made the character with no real interest in the first place. I gave you chance because it seemed like you know what you were doing. I guess I should start making people wait two weeks to even get squired. I guess I should also be around every damn day and be on the lookout for every character that applies, scouring the player webpage to find out when the character was created and seeing how many hours they put in.
It was a lot more than that. I will speak more on it tonight after I get off work.
Faelon
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Trovo, I think the statement had more to do with the fact that it's easy to get to 25. Easy enough now, that it takes maybe two to three hours of effort and you're there for some classes. 25 used to be a kill ground for training, then Legion changed but Knight didn't. If you want people at 40, why not make the minimum 40 for applicants? Or 50? If you, and it is you because it's your cabal at the moment, want it to be 25, have it be 25. If you want it to be 40, and that's where your proving ground is, make it 40.
Ultimately, whatever you decide to do is what you decide to do. It is your cabal.
So, I am going to elaborate now. I created this character because I didn’t like my invoker knight and I wanted to play something that I thought would be more interesting. My intent was to build this character, flesh out what I wanted the roleplay to be while I was training and getting prepared. This was a bad idea; I should have invested more in the creation of the character. I spent my first 3-4 hours getting to 25, and along the way I came up with the gold. I figured hey, it’s going to be at least a week before I could be inducted, auto-induct, or whatever. This meant I had time to figure things out. I log out for a couple of hours, log back in and begin training. An hour or so later Trovo shows up and after a quick why do you want to be a knight, I am inducted. Then he is like, oh how is your training. Oops stop at 40 and get trained. Fine, I did that. I was soured by the whole induction, because it was largely lacking in roleplay and I didn’t come out of it feeling like I had accomplished anything, but fine I messed up applying before I was ready. I moved on. Hit 40, trained, hit 50 began gearing. My sessions would look like this. Hey there is an evil on, lets fight. Trovo interjects ‘Prepare to fight evil, gear is more important.’ Ok we do that. Basically, every time I log in Is the same, meanwhile I still haven’t figured out what I want to do with the character. I stop logging in in favor of playing another character. I am still stagnant and not knowing what I want to do. After a month of logging into my character one time for the whole month I decide let’s move on. Knights don’t suit my mentality right now.
That doesn't sound like a lot more. It sounds like you made a character with the intent of joining a cabal but didnt want to put any effort or forethought into it. Stop doing that otherwise your characters are all going to bore you. Maybe you just need a break from the game. Instead of making characters with the intent of longevity but lacking in depth, maybe try to create a background/rp BEFORE you even roll the character.
hamsandwich
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I think the take home is nothing is perfect. I don't think anyone is putting all of the fault on anyone. Trovo isn't responsible for Nadrin deleting, and Nadrin has his reasons. Everyone could have done things differently(better?) but in the end it's a game and it's your own prerogative to play it however you want within the rules.
Ceridwel
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I see two possible solutions. 1) hard code a wait time for induction just like we have for auto-induction. 2) Players shouldn't apply until they're ready.
Faelon
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Or a third solution 3) Take the feedback as given and move on.
The defensiveness on this forum is extraordinary.
Vhrael
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Problem is twofold, but largely lies with Nadrin (in my opinion).
Induction happened quickly, yes, but as a player you have control of that. You control when you apply, you control when you have a background/description written, how much time you devote to training, etc. None of that is on the induction process or Trovo. What is on Trovo is if he didn't vet Raelia thoroughly enough (including asking about training, whatever other objectives he wanted in a Knight), he shouldn't have inducted. He probably got the responses during interview that he wanted, saw that it was a player who obviously knew what they were doing, and felt he could trust the player to get their training handled anyway, but all the same it could've/should've (arguably) been handled differently.
Trovo: lessons learned, move on.
Nadrin: lessons learned, move on.
Get to the next thing you enjoy and take the time to flesh it out before you even make the character. Write down a story, or map it out in your head before you roll up. Ranking is hella easy now, so you know that moving forward; just do yourself a favor to make the next experience that much more enjoyable.
Ozaru 
1 , 1 , 0 . You applied to a cabal and got inducted quickly, promoted and went on winter runs with your cabal to help other people?? Damn that sounds rough.... hamsandwich 
3 , 0 , 0 . Don't send in an application until you're done training. Faelon 
0 , 0 , 0 . Inducted same day, with no training is not a standard process. Point of fact, it's highly unusual in AR's history. Typically cabal's want to know you are actually serious about the character, understand how it works, etc... Trovo 0 , 0 , 1 . I guess you don't remember the part where I told you to stop at 40 until you had the things mastered that I charged you with. Nadrin 0 , 0 , 0 . It was a lot more than that. I will speak more on it tonight after I get off work. Faelon 
0 , 0 , 0 . Trovo, I think the statement had more to do with the fact that it's easy to get to 25. Easy enough now, that it takes maybe two to three hours of effort and you're there for some classes. 25 used to be a kill ground for training, then Legion changed but Knight didn't. If you want people at 40, why not make the minimum 40 for applicants? Or 50? If you, and it is you because it's your cabal at the moment, want it to be 25, have it be 25. If you want it to be 40, and that's where your proving ground is, make it 40.
Nadrin 1 , 1 , 0 . So, I am going to elaborate now. I created this character because I didn’t like my invoker knight and I wanted to play something that I thought would be more interesting. My intent was to build this character, flesh out what I wanted the roleplay to be while I was training and getting prepared. This was a bad idea; I should have invested more in the creation of the character. I spent my first 3-4 hours getting to 25, and along the way I came up with the gold. I figured hey, it’s going to be at least a week before I could be inducted, auto-induct, or whatever. This meant I had time to figure things out. I log out for a couple of hours, log back in and begin training. An hour or so later Trovo shows up and after a quick why do you want to be a knight, I am inducted. Then he is like, oh how is your training. Oops stop at 40 and get trained. Fine, I did that. I was soured by the whole induction, because it was largely lacking in roleplay and I didn’t come out of it feeling like I had accomplished anything, but fine I messed up applying before I was ready. I moved on. Hit 40, trained, hit 50 began gearing. My sessions would look like this. Hey there is an evil on, lets fight. Trovo interjects ‘Prepare to fight evil, gear is more important.’ Ok we do that. Basically, every time I log in Is the same, meanwhile I still haven’t figured out what I want to do with the character. I stop logging in in favor of playing another character. I am still stagnant and not knowing what I want to do. After a month of logging into my character one time for the whole month I decide let’s move on. Knights don’t suit my mentality right now. Trovo 0 , 0 , 1 . That doesn't sound like a lot more. It sounds like you made a character with the intent of joining a cabal but didnt want to put any effort or forethought into it. Stop doing that otherwise your characters are all going to bore you. Maybe you just need a break from the game. Instead of making characters with the intent of longevity but lacking in depth, maybe try to create a background/rp BEFORE you even roll the character. hamsandwich 
0 , 0 , 0 . I think the take home is nothing is perfect. I don't think anyone is putting all of the fault on anyone. Trovo isn't responsible for Nadrin deleting, and Nadrin has his reasons. Everyone could have done things differently(better?) but in the end it's a game and it's your own prerogative to play it however you want within the rules. Ceridwel 
2 , 0 , 0 . I see two possible solutions. 1) hard code a wait time for induction just like we have for auto-induction. 2) Players shouldn't apply until they're ready. Faelon 
3 , 0 , 0 . Or a third solution 3) Take the feedback as given and move on.
Vhrael 
1 , 0 , 0 . Problem is twofold, but largely lies with Nadrin (in my opinion).
Nadrin 1 , 0 , 0 . Agreed. Totally my fault for not investing more, and I should have stopped Trovo and told him I wasn't prepared yet.
Davairus 0 , 0 , 0 . you shouldve made a thief Nadrin 0 , 0 , 0 . Maybe.
[reply to Nadrin]If you got bored and stayed bored it seems to me like you made the character with no real interest in the first place. I gave you chance because it seemed like you know what you were doing. I guess I should start making people wait two weeks to even get squired. I guess I should also be around every damn day and be on the lookout for every character that applies, scouring the player webpage to find out when the character was created and seeing how many hours they put in.
Ultimately, whatever you decide to do is what you decide to do. It is your cabal.
The defensiveness on this forum is extraordinary.
Induction happened quickly, yes, but as a player you have control of that. You control when you apply, you control when you have a background/description written, how much time you devote to training, etc. None of that is on the induction process or Trovo. What is on Trovo is if he didn't vet Raelia thoroughly enough (including asking about training, whatever other objectives he wanted in a Knight), he shouldn't have inducted. He probably got the responses during interview that he wanted, saw that it was a player who obviously knew what they were doing, and felt he could trust the player to get their training handled anyway, but all the same it could've/should've (arguably) been handled differently.
Trovo: lessons learned, move on.
Nadrin: lessons learned, move on.
Get to the next thing you enjoy and take the time to flesh it out before you even make the character. Write down a story, or map it out in your head before you roll up. Ranking is hella easy now, so you know that moving forward; just do yourself a favor to make the next experience that much more enjoyable.
As it is, Trovo I think you are doing the best you can with a crappy situation in knight's right now so keep it up.
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