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No chance. Illyiza vs. Amariel

posted on 2020-10-28 20:54:56
<649/649h 1041/1125m 272/399v> <[##########]> <no opponent> <9905g>
Players near you in Mahn-Tor:
<PK> Amariel The Dungeon Hall
<PK> Illyiza Inside the Frozen Gate

<649/649h 1041/1125m 272/399v> <[##########]> <no opponent> <9905g>
You stand up.

<649/649h 1041/1125m 272/399v> <[##########]> <no opponent> <9905g>
You failed the summon.

<649/649h 1011/1125m 272/399v> <[##########]> <no opponent> <9905g>
Illyiza arrives suddenly.

<649/649h 981/1125m 272/399v> <[##########]> <no opponent> <9905g>
Illyiza utters the words, 'grzzs'.
You yell 'Die! Illyiza, you sorcerous dog!'
You feel very sleepy...
You go to sleep.


<649/649h 1125/1125m 340/399v> <[##########]> <no opponent> <9905g>
You can't see anything, you're sleeping!

<649/649h 1125/1125m 340/399v> <[##########]> <no opponent> <9905g>
In your dreams, or what?

<649/649h 1125/1125m 340/399v> <[##########]> <no opponent> <9905g>

You feel a brief tingling sensation.

<649/649h 1125/1125m 399/399v> <[##########]> <no opponent> <9905g> In your dreams, or what?

<649/649h 1125/1125m 399/399v> <[##########]> <no opponent> <9905g>
In your dreams, or what?

<649/649h 1125/1125m 399/399v> <[##########]> <no opponent> <9905g>
You feel a brief tingling sensation.


<649/649h 1125/1125m 399/399v> <[##########]> <no opponent> <9905g>
You feel a brief tingling sensation.

<649/649h 1125/1125m 399/399v> <[##########]> <no opponent> <9905g>
You feel a brief tingling sensation.


| Luck: Lady Luck Hunger: [*****] Thirst: [*****] |
| |
| Condition: In prime health |
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/ |
| Armor Vs Pierce: 196 Saving Throws |
| Hitroll: 7 Vs Bash: 212 Afflictive: 87 |
| Damroll: 3 Vs Slash: 184 Maledictive: 119 |
| Vs Magic: 106 Mental: 83 |
\==========================================================-/
You are affected by the following:
Spell: weaken : modifies strength by -7 for 16 hours
Spell: sleep : lasts for 1 hours
Spell: detect invis : lasts for 48 hours
Spell: stone skin : modifies armor class by 40 for 48 hours
Spell: protective shield: lasts for 3 hours
Spell: sanctuary : lasts for 4 hours
Spell: pass door : lasts for 7 hours
Spell: protection : modifies save vs spell by 1 for 14 hours
Spell: armor : modifies armor class by 20 for 14 hours
Skill: devote : lasts for 12 hours
Spell: prayer : modifies armor class by 40 for 6 hours
: modifies luck by 4 for 6 hours
: modifies damroll by -5 for 6 hours
: modifies mana by 25 for 6 hours
Spell: fly : lasts for 8 hours
Spell: earths blessing: lasts for 37 hours
Spell: communion : lasts for 37 hours

<644/644h 1125/1125m 399/399v> <[##########]> <no opponent> <9905g>
In your dreams, or what?

<644/644h 1125/1125m 399/399v> <[##########]> <no opponent> <9905g>
You can't wake up!

<644/644h 1125/1125m 399/399v> <[##########]> <no opponent> <9905g>
You can't wake up!

<644/644h 1125/1125m 399/399v> <[##########]> <no opponent> <9905g>
You are using:
<used as light> (Glowing) the light of dawn
<worn on finger> a signet ring of Sarich
<worn on finger> a signet ring of Sarich
<worn around neck> (Glowing) a beautiful silver pendant
<worn around neck> (Glowing) a beautiful silver pendant
<worn on head> (Glowing) (Humming) a deflective mithril-white coif of grounding
<worn on torso> (Glowing) a battle-worn templar coat
<worn on arms> (Glowing) a pair of deflective lameller armplates of grounding
<worn on hands> some oily woolen gloves
<worn on legs> (Glowing) a pair of deflective lameller legplates of shielding
<worn on feet> (Glowing) boots of protection
<worn as shield> the platinum spiked shield
<worn about body> (Glowing) a minor globe of invulnerability
<worn about waist> (Humming) a runed wizard belt
<worn around wrist> (Glowing) (Humming) a disease-scarred mithril-white bangle of inoculation
<worn around wrist> (Glowing) (Humming) a disease-scarred mithril-white bangle of inoculation
<wielded> Nothing.
<floating nearby> (Glowing) (Humming) the Gem of Purity
<tattooed> (Shimmering) a dove-winged emerald lyre

<644/644h 1125/1125m 399/399v> <[##########]> <no opponent> <9905g>
Amariel's group:
[50 Hea] Amariel 100% hp 100% mana 100% mv 570916 xp Kills: 1


You are affected by the following:
Spell: weaken : modifies strength by -7 for 15 hours
Spell: sleep : lasts for 0 hours
Spell: detect invis : lasts for 47 hours
Spell: stone skin : modifies armor class by 40 for 47 hours
Spell: protective shield: lasts for 2 hours
Spell: sanctuary : lasts for 3 hours
Spell: pass door : lasts for 6 hours
Spell: protection : modifies save vs spell by 1 for 13 hours
Spell: armor : modifies armor class by 20 for 13 hours
Skill: devote : lasts for 11 hours
Spell: prayer : modifies armor class by 40 for 5 hours
: modifies luck by 4 for 5 hours
: modifies damroll by -5 for 5 hours
: modifies mana by 25 for 5 hours
Spell: fly : lasts for 7 hours
Spell: earths blessing: lasts for 36 hours
Spell: communion : lasts for 36 hours

<644/644h 1125/1125m 399/399v> <[##########]> <no opponent> <9905g>
You are blinded!

<644/644h 1125/1125m 399/399v> <[##########]> <no opponent> <9905g>
You can't wake up!

<644/644h 1125/1125m 399/399v> <[##########]> <no opponent> <9905g>
In your dreams, or what?

<644/644h 1125/1125m 399/399v> <[##########]> <no opponent> <9905g>
In your dreams, or what?

<644/644h 1125/1125m 399/399v> <[##########]> <no opponent> <9905g>
You can't wake up!

<644/644h 1125/1125m 399/399v> <[##########]> <no opponent> <9905g>
In your dreams, or what?

<644/644h 1125/1125m 399/399v> <[##########]> <no opponent> <9905g>
You can't wake up!

<644/644h 1125/1125m 399/399v> <[##########]> <no opponent> <9905g>
In your dreams, or what?
Your prayer has been disrupted.
Someone's cone of force devastates you!

<615/644h 1100/1100m 399/399v> <[##########]> <unknown> <9905g>
Someone's shocking bite hits you.
Someone's shocking bite hits you.
Someone parries your punch.
Someone's poisonous bite MUTILATES you!
Someone's poisonous bite DISEMBOWELS you!
Someone's thrust MUTILATES you!
Someone's thrust devastates you!
You block someone's attack with your shield.
Someone's thrust misses you.
You block someone's attack with your shield.
Someone's slash injures you.
Someone's pierce misses you.
Someone's pierce mauls you.

<398/644h 1100/1100m 399/399v> <[##########]> <unknown> <9905g>

Someone's shocking bite hits you.
Your punch misses someone.
Someone's poisonous bite decimates you!
Someone's poisonous bite DISEMBOWELS you!
Someone's thrust maims you!
Someone's thrust decimates you!
Someone's thrust maims you!
Someone's thrust maims you!
Someone's slash injures you.
Your shield wobbles and barely deflects someone's slash.
Someone's pierce decimates you!
Someone's pierce devastates you!

<110/644h 1100/1100m 399/399v> <[##########]> <unknown> <9905g>
Someone's bash collides with your protective shield.
Someone's bash misses you.

<110/644h 1100/1100m 399/399v> <[##########]> <unknown> <9905g>
Someone utters the words, 'aque bragh'.
Someone's acid blast decimates you!
Your shield wobbles and barely deflects someone's shocking bite.
Your punch misses someone.
Your punch mauls someone.
Someone's poisonous bite MUTILATES you!
Someone's poisonous bite DISEMBOWELS you!
Someone's thrust maims you!
You have been KILLED!!

You turn into an invincible ghost for a few minutes.
As long as you don't attack anything.

<1/629h 1/1085m 394/399v> <[##########]> <no opponent> <0g>
You stand up.

<1/629h 1/1085m 394/399v> <[##########]> <no opponent> <0g> You don't have enough mana.
Tags: #dunked, #rage

Comments

  1. Only mistake I made was not drinking the brew before summoning. My fault. Weaken took away parry. Died in the lag from Cone of Force. Attempted to recall was only thing queued up but died before lag from Cone ended.

    Few notes:
    -Had more than half of hp gains minimum rolls(6hp/level). There has to be some way to normalize this and it should average out by 50 but doesnt.
    -Protective shield should stop Cone of Force
    -Necro's need some sort of balance. I died in 2.5 rounds fully buffed. It would be okay if sleep were 50/50 but in my experience so far its 100% even stacking saves.
    1. Sleep is mental, not mal, and I have a good break ring.
    2. Fully buffed? Were you? No accession, protective shield, instead of divine retribution, no bless, no weapon ward...Necros have balance....thats an alhoon.....land an exorcism some time! Just because you got pwnt doesn't mean you can't win the fight.
    3. Um... Healers don't get weapon ward any more.
    4. Would be nice if healers got weapon ward tho.
    5. Healers will not be getting weapon ward because they get prudence already for that.
    6. How about Esuna curing deteroriate and cure disease curing dysentery?
    7. Its already pretty pointless to spam deteriorate against good saves. You'd be spamming a spell that isnt going to work just to allow yourself a better chance to land the spell(s) you wanted. It doesnt pay off
    8. Well just because they shouldn't be spamming it doesn't mean it shouldn't be curable. Based off my recent anecdotal experience it seems to be pretty consistent.
    9. -16 spells and -100ac is nothing to sneeze at. That's why you see shamans play the battle of attrition while trying to land it. Shouldn't be the only tactic, but a popular one indeed.
    10. And it seems to work. Shaman vs Healer shaman has all the tools. Hysteria, Insomnia, and Deteriorate cannot be healed, restore faith prevents casting for a looong time.
    11. I meant blasphemy not restore faith, lol
    [reply to Amariel]
  2. Probably should swap out some of the mal saves for mental ones, if that's an option. Obviously getting slept is just too much to overcome. Pretty much any other mal spell you can heal off.

    Recalling from combat is a mistake. You're much more likely to lose concentration, even mastered. Gotta flee first, try and get some distance, then word.

    If cone of force is a 3 round lag, that's really shitty. I'd question if having a lag ability for a 6-charmie class is even appropriate at all, let alone one stronger than bash/trip. Did you still have some stand;word commands queued? Looks like you stood up as soon as hitting temple.
    1. Just the one. Still with 80+ saves in mental EVEN with break I should have a reasonable chance. Blind and weak landed with 120+ saves.
    2. Well shit. Yeah that's rough man I dunno what to tell you.
    3. This is probably why people don't make elf healers. Your main defenses are parry and shield block. Unfortunately you weren't wearing a weapon, but 18 str 21 wis and 15 con are really terrible coupled with really low hp. I just deleted a drow shaman I think I was about the same hp as you seeing a 6 hp gained was comical. Chances are he switched the mental break ring once he slept you to a mal break ring to get those spells in. Lastly it took you about 30 seconds to get killed where it probably took him 2 hours to prep that army.

      Summon is also mental, so your best chance is quit out or summon him away from his zombies
    4. Cone used to be 2 rounds of lag. I used it on Fenlorn and it lasted only 1 round. So not sure if it varies from 1-3 rounds now? Might need to go back to 2?
      Illithids have had cone since their invention.
      Slash vuln is the worst vuln in the game.
      Alhoon can't use reaping scythe with is a huge damage and health buff when maxed. Also means they can't use rend life. Stuck with acid blast, which you can stack saves for,
    5. If 119 mal saves and 83 mental saves are still not enough to block any of those spells, I don't know how much saves is even considered to be sufficient.

      Amariel had already sacrificed so much damage for that level of saves - he had 7 hit 3 dam after -7 str from poison, which means that he only had 14 hit 10 dam after wearing all those spells. There was no way that he could have won.
    6. Elf healers are fab. Don't forget about staff block and their resistance to charm. Save vs spell is not a guarantee but neither is it particularly difficult to get the max protection possible.
    7. That was summoning her away from her zombies. Wasn't wearing a weapon due to the weaken. Id accept two hours of prep to be able to do that kind of damage but I dont get that option. There has to be some sort of balance. When the only option is to quit out or die its very counterproductive to expanding playerbase as making that choice INSTANTLY reduces the pbase. Its not really friendly to newer or even just plain unskilled players to have very little to no chance because I chose to roll a race/class that has little to no chance against another race/class. There has to be some randomness and chance to it but one bad dice roll shouldn't mean you die every time.
    8. I don't know if cone is variable, Illyiza has more knowledge on that, but from being on the receiving end of cone recently I can assure you it is 3 rounds at least sometimes.
    9. I will post an issue in game about cone lag.
    10. Don't forget the mercenary Xerties, total of 7 pets! Flesh, Stone, 3 zombie, pet and merc!
    11. Do mercs attack players? I thought they only went for mobs.
    12. Its one of those rare occasions where it would've been absolutely worth it to wear a couple +4 strength neck/ring items to offset strength losses from weaken. Losing the weapon was completely preventable. Don't wait until the weaken has landed and your weapon has been forcibly removed by lowered strength. In general, don't get complacent about the serious effects of mals because you are wearing full possible saves. Mals landing is not completely preventable. However a mal that does a -5 strength can be completely useless or devastating depending on what you are wearing
    [reply to Xerties]
  3. I think I've asked this before, but according to the save vs spell helpfile, each 1 mal save is a 1% chance that the caster fails. By having 119 mal saves there is a 119% chance that the caster will fail casting blind. Savebreak counters that, but it still is over 100% fail chance.
    I mean I guess what I'm saying is can someone help me see how the i am misunderstanding the helpfile? Or can someone fix it so it isn't wrong?
    1. To my understanding, even with 150 stacked saves, there will still be a 5% chance of successfully landing a spell.
    2. That seems reasonable. I mean having a 0% chance is pretty lame for any caster class. But in practice 5% seems way lower than reality. Maybe just bias.

      But again, the helpfile doesn't indicate anything like that.
    3. It would be nice to know what the actual effects are rather than best guesses and suppositions though. Not knowing makes it hard to strategize.
    [reply to hamsandwich]
  4. Just curious. So I went back and looked at the log again. When I weakened you, did it not show you no longer had the strength to wield the mace? I could be wrong about that, as it's been a while since being on the other side of a sleep spell. Also you edited out all your commands inputs. Why?
    "In your dreams, or what?" occurred like 8 times or so. Indicating a command input. Curious why delete all that? As well as delete your command showing at your temple, "you don't have enough mana for that.".
    I'll look again later, but I feel like I'm missing something else, too.
    Curiosity killed that cat.
    1. Yeah logging on Mushclient is weird(Doesnt default to save outputs). Pretty much stand, com word spam. Also I didnt get the message for too heavy as I was asleep, but thats what happened.
    [reply to Illyiza]
  5. I re-read HELP SAVE VS SPELL about 7 times and totally agree it needs better wording. I've logged a bug and we'll get it fixed.
    1. Thank you!!!
    [reply to Ceridwel]
  6. Ok, so just to play devils advocate. I love necros, and if you think it is just that easy, roll up and try. There was a log not too awful long ago about a necro losing his whole army to a healer, because they used turn, divine retribution, and castigate. Perhaps using the wrong tools in your kit?
    1. https://abandonedrealms.com/logs/view_log.php?id=1060 Just saying!
    2. Did you actually look at the log? I was able to use exactly 0 tools in the kit. Instant sleep, died in lag with all spells up.
    3. I read the log. You were able to use exactly 0 tools in the kit???? Were you mesmerized or hypnotized before the sleep landed? Your choice of buffs, where you chose to fight, even attempting to summon him away, all were choices you made.
      Saying that necros need a gimp because you didn't fight one well is a weak response, from a butthurt opponent, IMO.

      Rock is overpowered.
      Paper is fine.
      -Scissors!
    [reply to Kornhole]
  7. Personally, I hate dying when I have full mana, and divine power!
      [reply to Koaren]
    1. Should've flurried.
        [reply to Vhrael]
      1. Those alhoons definitely need to be Trovo’d.
          [reply to Miltiadhes]
        1. LOL, Trovo would melt, get three Yimir, and Trovo wouldn't stand a chance.
          1. I disagree, paladins have a ton of stuff in their toolkit to make a necromancer weep, including summon against a class that usually has to focus on health over saves and has a veryyy nasty vuln or three on alhoon
          [reply to Nadrin]
        2. I am going to bust out the cheese here:
          Alhoons, being undead, take no damage from the King Cobra's poisonous bite, so it is not an issue for an alhoon to tank the King Cobra's damage indefinitely and get that corpse easily.
          1. That’s inaccurate.
          2. There's a king cobra? What about Illithid not taking lightning damage??? OK, I'm dumb
          3. Undeads are immune to "poisonous bite" type damage. Just as a vampire is immune to "poisonous bite", alhoons are the same. Thorgoth, why are you saying that it's inaccurate, did you test it out yourself before claiming my statement is inaccurate?
          [reply to ivindel]
        3. Bladefury BANNED [reply]
          0 , 2 , 1 .
          Lol at people who think sleep is dependant on a break.
          1. Sleep is not dependent on a break item. But the break item still has validity with being used in cases where spells say there is no dependency.
          [reply to Bladefury]

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