Group Warfare.

[_Clifton_]

So jamus brought up an interesting point in regards to the Taere Takedown log.

[Amdorin]

One main guy should take over in battle. Now if you're still plotting, then everyone with battle sense should have some form of say, but there's going to be a leader regardless. Because if there's no leader someone not taking orders then this happens:

"Alright chums let's do this LEEEROOOOOOYYYY ...JENKINSSSS!!!"

"Oh my gosh he just ran in."

"........"

"Stick to the plan! Stick to the plan!"

So I support the normal coordination, because if they had a clue of what to do they'd do it, so if they aren't ..TELL THEM.

[Davairus]

If you're in the middle of a dangerous fight you won't have time to sugar-coat your talking. It will get your groupmates killed. So you just have to "bark", the fact it is barked is an extra layer of information.. its like, hey, I don't have time to type out a ten word command with sweetie kins on the end here, I need this done now.

As for being "bossy".. its called leadership. If you think you can do better job of leading go ahead and ask to, I'm sure they'd give you a try, and I think everyone should try it at least once, to see how tough it really is. When all is said and done, what you'll find is people will rather be led by someone who can keep them alive than waste time to make them feel "special" and end up getting people killed. Even if its the guy they like the least.

[Davor]

This is almost ridiculous... In any sort of group warfare coordination and proper execution is essential, well led and organised group can and will overwhelm discorded party of possibly numerous and powerful party. History of war gives many examples. Consider what Alexander the Great did if you need real life example. There is no simpler coordiantion then with one person leading and giving out commands. That is why you have "commanders" on battlefield. As Stu pointed out, people will follow the one who is likely to keep them alive and bring victory, Clifton in this example. Which he did...

Once, when I was young justice, there was no less then four justices in town. Three or so legions entered town lead by Groq. There was no clear leadership and we were acting on our own agenda. End result was... in less then minute 3 dead justice and me gating away for my life. Steamrolled us total understatement (consider the fact that we had numbers and that we all had the option of special guard, if you ever met one, you'll know what i'm talking about).

I wish I had then someone to bark at me to do his bidding.

[Sethronu]

obviously the more experienced naturally take over at some point

necessary to win

[Faelon]

[Jamus]

Yep. It is kind of necessary in times like this, but sometimes, you really can hold your own and know what you're doing. A lot of the time, I appreciate the orders, since I'm not an AR master or whatever, but other times, I don't even have a say in anything. I dunno if it's in the logboard anywhere, but there was one fight where I was told what weapon to wear (wasn't even mine), when to switch, when to rage, when to berserk, and all this other crap. Sometimes it really is funner to die than to be told exactly how to do everything, and win (and possibly, still die).

And, I wasn't talking just about group warfare. Ranking, this happens too.

[crazyhorse]

Jamus, the only way to relieve yourself of that situation is to become leader worthy. Clifton sometimes gets told what to do in group fights. Sometimes I lead, sometimes I follow. Everyone gets pushed around in group fights sometimes. But one organized leader is a must. So if you have five people on one team, four people are getting pushed around.

You dont want to be pushed around, dont get in group fights or start leading. The only way to learn how to lead is to take the reigns and bust out the whip. You make mistakes, you learn from them. You make new chars with more knowledge and it progresses from there.

[Faelon]

[Davairus]

I'm siding with the leaders here. If someones dragging you around emerald, shire, solace, etc, grunting orders for you.. big deal .. you try leading it then. They are entitled to be grumpy since they do most the work while you surf porn or whatever you're doing mostly afk. Is it really such a big deal if someone says briefly to "dirt" because they're already trying to do everything?


If you're not the group leader you're the one who should be serving the roleplay. Because you're not the one under the pressure of walking everywhere and tanking everything, spamming "where pk" because your groupmates are lazy and don't bother..

Lay off the leaders, who're carrying your sorry ass. Or do the leading yourself and be the amazing total-package leader you want leaders to be.

[Jamus]

Yessir.

[marsd]

Hah I feel the hatred O_O

ok edit - I feel the dissatisfaction with me in groups ^_^

[Davairus]

Eh.. hatred is a strong word.

[Faelon]

[Amdorin]

That midground you're talking about includes things like: gaining a grasp of the nature of pk on AR (learning the areas, knowing your char's (race/class) strengths and weakness, apply your knowlege of how to fight other classes with your own, etc), taking leadership opportunities (like being the group leader while ranking (the one that moves everyone else around so you must know the area, etc) joining a cabal, and refining your pk skills in addition to cabal skills).

With time, all this builds up knowledge of the game and takes you to the level that you hear people say "competent", and you are making "competent" decisions that would cause people to trust your decisions and follow you.

Now the reason a "leader" would get frustrated with what may seem as groupmates complaining about "stop barking at me" is because, they've put time into what they know and it's like getting spit in the face by someone who hasn't dedicated as much time without as much knowledge who doesn't feel like being told what to do...but don't exactly know what to do themselves.