Character creation process.

[Mandor]

[_Clifton_]

You keep making these idle claims yet your posts are so inanely stupid and wasteful. You have a solution then (obviously), but you're complaining about a DC after your 6 hour perfect roll. Do I need to spell out the inherent contradictions in your story even further?

TLDR: stfu, stop whining you worthless piece of shit.

[Mandor]

tsk tsk...

This idea was a way to log into a character that's stuck in creation due to disconnect.

The perfect script build can't stop a disconnect from occurring. Are you trying to say that one should be able to stop the internet from screwing up with a better scripting? There really is no logical or sensible way to describe what you're trying to imply, because you simply didn't read the thread and respond to it in a contextual manner, instead choosing to assume (like I said before) multiple beliefs about what I'm saying and doing and then trying to use that as a way to make me feel I blundered, when in fact you weren't even paying attention and were just looking to create a hate filled, fact less argument, it seems. Aren't you?

[Davairus]

This is one of those things where in an ideal world, I'd have some gopher coder under me, eager to prove himself to get to higher imm levels, and willing to take on all sorts of non-trivial tasks. That would be some kind of miniscule reward I could give him for the effort it takes.

For me, what I am seeing is a lot of effort for little result. Sure, there's an issue there, and I know that because its stung me as well once or twice. I'd estimate over ten years maybe 5 to 6 times, if that. Did it frustrate me... not really, I can think of a new name and if I lost a roll, no problem I'll hand-roll another 1 from max in under 30 mins, and ask an Imm to fix the name later. Plus I remember the other Imps really don't care for min-maxers and max rollers. They want it to be difficult to attain perfect rolls. In fact, I remember being in IRC one time, some guy cheering about just getting his perf roll, and an Imp in the chat disconnected him and cheered about that!

So I can't help you on this issue. You have to make sure you finish char creeation and have your roller restart if it dc's, and just don't worry if you get one. If you can't roll for dc's, god help you pk'ing.

[Mandor]

I tend to roll a new character I want to try before my current character is finished, to heighten efficiency of time used. I understand it should be hard to roll a max or even -1. The only issue was that when I rolled a -2 (finally after 6 hours) I got the DC, and both the name and roll were lost for a while. Thanks to the reboot, the names back, though 10 hours later, not even a -3 has shown up, as I lowered my acceptance threshold one point. Ah well.. its a r/c combo that has an average range of 83-88 while the same race with a 0 exp class gets a range of 85-91

I wish I had your luck handrolling in under 30 minutes.

If that name lockout happens again, guess I can ask an imm to change a named succeeding roll after a reboot?

[Resatimm]

Yep as long as its at a low level and you arent asking to be named Fuckmyasswithachampagnebottle..

[Vhrael]

[_Clifton_]

[Davairus]

You shouldn't have much trouble getting a -2 from max roll. The way the roller works is each stat is chosen initially at max, and then immediately after being picked it has a chance to drop, then another chance to drop if it did. These chances aren't trivial, but they're beatable. The problem is you want to be successful five times. That's the hard part. The amount of time you spend rolling shouldn't be more than 30 mins to an hour for 1 from max, but it will take a very long time to get a perfect.

Personally I like to max out my stats with trains later, so I always use the double trains at level 1. There are quite a few race/class combinations where the -1 from max is as good as a perfect roll because of the double trains.. that's why I don't spend much time rolling. I would have to get the perfect roll if I was just trying to whore as much hp as possible though. If rolling is an issue for you, you may want to look into which class/races fall under this. Just look for the ones that start with a rolled stat at -1 or -3 below its full potential, and adjust your roller to settle for a -2 or -4 with that, since you'll double train anyway. That is of course assuming your chosen class doesn't need all its double trains to max out after perfect roll.

[Mandor]

I must be confused about max roll. I believed it was -6 from the total of all your stats like if every stat maxed added to 100, a max roll was 94 since with double trains you get up to 100. After losing the 92 roll, of a R/C that I have gotten to 94 a few months previously, I now have a -7 rolled (after trains) with 8 hours in its age because it rolled that long trying to get a 92 again and I simply pressed yes to the current roll..

I think what you're saying is max roll isn't the cumulative score, but each stat individually?

I like to max out my stats with trains later as well, but if you want to max at level 1, you need to have 2 stats maxed, and 3 at -2 each. thats what I considered max roll, but I'm having a bitch of a time getting it or a 93 (-1) or 92 (-2) now..

[FenixMajere]

idk and im prob wrong but i have always thought of a max roll as human warrior 100 max stats subtract 6 from that (the first double trains) then 2 more so you will have max stats at lvl 15 so the max roll for a human is a 92 never had it over 92 before as a human.

[Mandor]

eh, I currently have a 600 or so exp combo that I got to 91 of 100 (which is -3). another 575 exp combo type that got a -1 (all his stats are maxed now, at level 9), and humans have always seemed easy to 93-94 (-2 and -1 respectively) for me, which means that it takes level 5 or level 10 to get perfect stats..

[FenixMajere]

meh

[Davairus]

Its not confusing.

[Tiqa]

I know you've probably explained this very clearly and I apologize for being so dense, but I've never understood the stat rolling and still don't get it. I know this is probably the least of my problems because even if I had a perfect roll it wouldn't compensate from my bad pk abilities but every bit helps and I'd like to understand it.

If the max for a human warrior is 21 + 20 + 20 + 20 + 20 = 101, then that to me is the top you can hope for.

And if the stat range for all class/race combos is from 0 to -2 from the max, then in the case of human warrior wouldn't it be the lowest you would want would be 19 + 18 + 18 + 18 + 18 = 91

And so you should aim for a total score between 91 and 101? With hopefully 2 stats being on 18 (or 2 less than max) so you can double train them in the academy with just using one train session each.

But it's confusing too because in your roll examples some were -3 or -4 off the max stats yet you said your examples showed that every other stat except for intelligence was maxed and the rolls wer 85-87??

[Mandor]

[Olyn]

Max stats do not equal max rollable stats. 0 to -2 is variation from max rollable. Every race/class combo has its own max rollable. max rollable for an elf warrior may be different than max rollable for an elf healer, even though their max stats are identical.

What Dav was trying to point out is that it's very easy to determine max rollable for your combo after just a few rolls because each individual stat is one of 3 numbers. if you roll a 17 and 18 just roll a few more times to see if 16 or 19 comes up. then you can look at the website to see the max stats for your race and see how that compares to what is possible to roll. figure out how you want to use your three double trains at lvl 1 based on that.

edit:That last part of your post is correct Mandor

[Mandor]

I'm having a 20+ hour time getting back the max rollable that would put me at -2 at level one post trains again...


I watched the rolling, and calculated that it would be -8 to roll max (meaning it would take 8 more points to train up to maxed stats), and 1st level would reduce this to -2. the cumulative maxed stats point is 100. a -8 means I need a [92], where at that point each stat would be at 0, based on the formula that the min/max is not more than 2 points difference. and I haven't got it in 20 hours...

I always knew that certain race/class got penalized in max rolling...


Finally hit it, gg.....

[Vanisse]

-.-;; just play the game... i've always handrolled to 89 or 90 regardless of race/class and just went with it. good grief

[_Clifton_]