Gyvel Potions

[Ozaru]

This has been something that was on my mind for a while, but I never thought to acutally post it. A while back on my shaman I was fighting a zerker and everytime I blinded him, super gyvl worked. Mind you I was later 20's and so was he but I am sure he lad lvl 50 gyvels. Now my gripe is that doesn't seem fair, why can't i wear red dragon until lvl 25 or use dark haven weapons until 40, but I can cure blind with a level 50 pot for 1k. I would suggest making it level based, you are level 20 you buy level 20 you are level 28 you buy level 25 what ever increments you would put dav. It is a tremendous advantage for a player to not have to worry about savs when he could easily cure such a powerful spell.

[Voltron]

Ok Ozaru, sorry. but I hate this. Number one, hysteria rapes the balls off of gyvel potions. Even level 50 ones.. Also, a level 25 gyvel will basically never cure level 28 blindness. So it effectively becomes obsolete. Also, just because I'm level 20 and buying level 20 gyvels doesn't meant I'm not fighting a level 28 human shaman casting level 28 blindness. Like that disadvantage needs to be made worse, right?

Sorry that you're playing a shaman right now and feel cheated because gyvels work SOMETIMES. But that's a terrible idea.

[Davairus]

The gyvels are level 50? I thought it was 40.

[Ozaru]

but a level 25 healer can cure his own level 28 blindness right, with pretty routine success I am sure. Seems like you can cure most spells easier than you can cast them. Maybe have a specific successes rate. As far as them being level 40 I doubt it because then how are lvl 50 blindness being cured? As I said I was in the early ranks and this is an isolated issue. Just a topic I thought I would bring up. Since most level 20's don't get gyvels anyways

[Fireballer]

[Voltron]

You can't spam quaff gyvel because you don't have 90 gyvels. You can have 90 in your sack maybe, but not out of it. And you can't really have 90 anyways because they are tough to get and evaporate really quickly. It takes time for the gyvels to repop.

And so you're solution to a long drawn out fight where it only ends when someone makes a mistake(which is the way it's supposed to be.. derp?) is to make it so mals pwn and the shaman always wins. Good call Fireballer.

[Fireballer]

thats the point newbie. it takes at least 2 casts to land a mal all things completely even, which means you take 3 rounds of damage, and if the person was smart they would be able to just flee and quaff gyvel. thus you have lost your mana, and he's instantly better.

At low ranks all you need need to is farm gold and then 40-50 level gyvels and you're completely safe. Not only will the caster not have enough HP at low levels, especially where warriors are in power areas, like 20, 25, and 31, but the caster will have low mana as well, in addition to non 100% meditation and probably 75-77% trance, meaning every time they cast and fail it becomes an even bigger slippery slope, where another fail means you're near 100% probable of losing/dying/having to flee forever, and when that happens, you've got someone at near full health (remember you were casting blinds that were failing and getting instahealed), chasing your ass down while you're low/out of mana and have low Hp, thanks to an inherently lower hp pool. And what about defenses and preps, like sanc? You're running out or already out of those too, particularly if you had a small amount of them.

[Olyn]

Start with hysteria and see how easy it is to cure blindness with a gyvel.

[Fireballer]

hysteria is a level 40 spell and as such is beyond the scope of this discussion.

[Olyn]

[Fireballer]

Im thinking thats the issue Ozaru is trying to bring up. its not very effective at low ranks, although it will hose any noob. is it a spell to gank newbies with? Doesn't make sense.

[Dogran]

Or be like any other experienced player. Learn to run around blind and carry at least 6k on you so you can run to temple healer which never fails the heal blind hysteriad or not. Blindness is not the end all unless you are in a corner. I have blinded dozens of characters and had them escape/survive somehow. Then again, I have been blinded dozens of times and escaped/survived myself. Its not all that difficult if you really really know what your doing. Obviously there are going to be times that you overlook something or get overconfident and fuck yourself, or the roll just doesnt go your way whatever. There is nothing wrong with gyvel potions the way they are.

[Davairus]

Yeah there is. But blindness (on shamans) is also too buff. That's why I dont change the gyvels.

[tayyah]

yea, I'll agree to that dav, shamans blind is pretty op, I solo'd quite a bit of mobs so even early on 100% blind. Im pretty sure that if they werent heavily stacked mal saves, blind landed first try most of the time, if I caught them without saves, id be confident in saying it landed pretty much every time, first try.

[Grunchel]

yeah like nine out of ten people I land blindness on just run to a priest and heal their blindness. I always thought it would be a good idea to have a gyvel growing in the sanctuary so that shamans couldn't camp the one north of seringale. also, isn't there a small lag when you quaff something?

[Davairus]

You say that like it doesn't lag you for ten rounds and cost a ton of gold.

[Grunchel]

ah, let me re-phrase. I've noticed a lot of people doing it, but it doesn't get them anywhere as I just land blindness on them again. Gyvels are definitely there for a reason(so, if you are a newbie and reading this use Gyvel potions ). As for the fact that a level 15 can have a level 50 gyvel, most newbs are in those ranks and should get a 'get out of blindness free card'. I recommend carrying at least five, although I rarely see people carrying more than three if that.

There was this one high-dex rogue at 50, he must have had 100k or something as I chained him with blindness over and over again. He'd run to the priest in Timaran, heal himself, then I'd hit him with blindness and then he'd run to Seringale and heal himself. We did that six times it was insane. Finally I landed insomnia on him and he took off.