Lay On Hands after Divine Sacrifice

[Ceridwel]

A successful Lay On Hands immediately after Divine Sacrifice should give ultra-heal of some sort.

[Stiehl26]

Why?

[Ergorion]

because if you take 5 hours to heal from your divine sac. then you only have 5 hours to pk with it. and everyone likes +10 damroll to give your paladin 34/46 in a suit of living wood and mithril.

[Ceridwel]

[Fireballer]

if you want a lot of power, that is going to become centric to the playstyle of a class.

The question is, do you want paladin nerfed in other respects to make it less arduous, so that without it you almost assuredly lose, or keep it the way it is so that you don't necessarily have to have it, as the class overall isn't gimped?

When something of a class truly becomes powerful, many other aspects need to be nerfed to balance it, and then you're stuck being a one trick pony.

[Ergorion]

I think what paladins really need is some sort of dual wield skill (dark-knights as well).

The two hybrid classes are way too predictable in terms of combat style. You know there's a slim chance to none that any hybrid is going to dual wield against any fighter class. They're going to sit in defensive/two-handed all day. Giving a warrior the knowledge that all he has to do is sit in defensive and be sure that he will never be disadvantaged style-wise.

I know shield slam was implemented to help deal with the predictable combat style, but that was only for paladins (nothing changed with dks) and I don't think I've seen any logs yet where it has been used yet, so I don't know how well that works to deal with the problem at hand.

[Smotpoker]

Dk and pally are two classes that imho really suck more than any other class. DK is better than pally due to having some combat skills with some decent spells.

Sure pallies can outheal a dk anyday but you HAVE to be a good tracker to get the kill and those two classes are sideswipe bait or barrage bait. Their strikes are used for stupid mage classes and ranking other than that they are useless.

They need to be revamped given new skills/spells to really be on par with combat changes.

[Ceridwel]

[Thorgoth]

Nothing wrong with hybrids, you guys are just n00bs who want an easy button.

TrrooOoolLLLeeDd!

[Dogran]

Prove it pip. Make a pally

[Ceridwel]

[Ergorion]

[Groq]

Go with Legion DK if anything I had a paladin not to long ago make executor and i'm horrible at pk since the combat changes. Paladins are pretty pimp just can't get hobbled or dirt kicked below half health and not flee and pray.

[Fireballer]

[Ergorion]

http://abandonedrealms.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5783&highlight=scyllua

Kalist had a moderately successful Legion dk. The limited sample size of pk stats makes it not the best example though.

He does mention getting owned by rogue dirt kick.

[Fireballer]

we'll certainly see how Othrolg does. And we have no basis for comparison. Under what conditions did Kalist rank? How much support did he have from legion? How deadly were the opposing people (bunch of newbs in Knight, ok).

Kalist is a long time and decent player compared to most people. Combined with favorable circumstances, and its not really a surprise.

however:

http://abandonedrealms.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6031
http://abandonedrealms.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6801
http://abandonedrealms.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6896
http://abandonedrealms.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7059
http://abandonedrealms.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7156
http://abandonedrealms.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7177
http://abandonedrealms.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5021&highlight=darkknight
http://abandonedrealms.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5377&highlight=darkknight
http://abandonedrealms.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6409&highlight=darkknight
http://abandonedrealms.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6750&highlight=darkknight
http://abandonedrealms.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6941&highlight=darkknight
http://abandonedrealms.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7172&highlight=darkknight
http://abandonedrealms.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4142&highlight=darkknight
http://abandonedrealms.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4454&highlight=darkknight
http://abandonedrealms.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7448

you'll notice stats in there along the lines of 2:24, 1:20, 7:13, 10:33, and so on.

You will also note that the only one with a positive ratio happens to be in Justice, where a beef charmie that protects you while drained, or gives you a charmie that doesnt turn on you mid-fight, makes your DK that much stronger. And even he rage deleted at 50.

Another thing to note is the highlighting. Yes, the search function is terrible. Dark and Knight in the search brings up DKs but also a lot of superfluous results like fire giant warriors. AND dark-knight lists purely DKs but only 27 of them. And there's about 200+ in the 44 pages of graveyard so..

And you're welcome.

edit: Noone should need to say cherry picking is involved, as DKs conform to this stat distribution. These were random picked and anything less than 5 deaths were removed. Dav said something before about not worrying about ratio and trying to go for kill count, whatever that means. As they're both related to each other (people who die more kill less, obviously), it didn't make any sense when he said it.

More deaths = more potential future deaths because of poor eq, re-equip, and tilt.