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Barrier and vulns

 
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divsky
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 10, 2015 1:11 pm    Post subject: Barrier and vulns

Do barrier/mana shield take vulns into account? If a gnome invoker used barrier, would bashing attacks eat up extra mana?
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kento
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 11, 2015 6:51 am    Post subject:

I -believe- they take the amount of damage into account.
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Dogran
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 11, 2015 5:24 pm    Post subject:

I thought at one point that they changed Barrier so that vuln attacks passed through barrier. There was this log about it at one point...
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ewils03



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 11, 2015 8:48 pm    Post subject:

As far as I know, the damage received eats at mana instead of health, but magical attacks go through barrier like physical attacks go through mana shield.
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divsky
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 11, 2015 9:58 pm    Post subject:

Let me get straight to the point: How does barrier interact with the gnome vulnerability to bashing physical damage?
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Andrael



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 12, 2015 12:14 am    Post subject:

Last I checked, a gnome's barrier does not protect it from any of the blunt type strikes. Protective shield will protect it from being attacked via the bash/bodyslam skill.
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divsky
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 12, 2015 2:12 am    Post subject:

*crosses gnome invoker off a list*

Ok, thank you.
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m1coftw



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 12, 2015 2:45 am    Post subject:

Physical blunt weapons going through barrier just because gnome has racial vuln makes zero sense.

Barrier should be universal, vs physical damage, why would gnome's vuln alter a spell? What makes gnomes cast a 'broken barrier' ?


No logic.
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Nycticora



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 12, 2015 6:13 am    Post subject:

it's a nerf to stop gnome invokers from killing everyone. It should be fixed but realistically it won't happen soon. It's better to have it this way than it is for gnomes to rape everyone
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Davairus
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 12, 2015 6:20 am    Post subject:

no, no.. vulns always are more important than immunities
by design
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Nycticora



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 12, 2015 6:45 am    Post subject:

yeah, the barrier should still mitigate some of it though. It shouldn't just pass straight through, that doesn't feel right at all. But it's a hard problem and fixing it wrong would be worse than not fixing it
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m1coftw



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 14, 2015 12:46 am    Post subject:

I suppose the reason behind gnomes having blunt vuln is due to their small and not so agile stature.

Like clubbing a printer with a baseball bat is more efficient than slicing it with a sword.


But barrier is a universal spell that has initially nothing to do with gnomes, just the mages and the capacity to learn and adapt it for themselves.

So my suggestion is that instead of barrier just not outright working for gnomes vuln for no logical reason it could make more sense to make the spell work mitigating the vuln, but due to gnome's inherit make it drain much more mana as it is much harder to maintain the upkeep when the incoming blows are just so tough on them.

Those sci-fi movies come to mind where people struggle real hard maintaining force field against villains who are "just too powerful to defend".

What ya think?
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Nycticora



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 15, 2015 6:54 pm    Post subject:

I think the reason is that gnomes were OP before the vuln was added due to giant numbers in important stats. It used to be a way more severe vuln than it is now, if I remember my numbers right.
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