Lowbie hoarders and rare count

[Esivole]

I don't have a lowbie with bad ass eq... perhaps if we were to go with your proposal of level restriction on high end eq it shouldn't be level 50, it should be level 42. Assuming it's the right solution to restrict, then level 42 is more logical because of the gauntlet of 42+ fighting 50s. Happens less these days than it used to, but still happens. Also because cabals often have wares they pass around and save for other members, dumb to not be able to help your cabal because they are pre 42 (50 in your scenario). Also buzz kills the idea of defeating someone that outranks and out gears you, since you wouldn't be able to keep that sweet loot.

Not saying it's the wrong solution but there is always a ripple affect.

[Davairus]

How are things like that supposed to be addressed with code changes? Make the game a free-for-all after level 30 or something? There is already anti-vulching code

More interesting thing I see is there are very high level well-geared characters that aren't account-registered.

[beia]

Why would someone not want to register and link there toon to an account?

Also I am not asking for restriction on ALL armor in the game. I am asking for restriction for END GAME loot from Winter, Redhorne, Battlezone, Shadun, Gasteride, Underworld, Dal Kadar and Tainted valley. RED areas require a well-equipped and experienced group. The loot should be the best and no one under level 50 should be able to use it.

[Olyn]

Level-restricting gear was tried in the past and was one of the most unpopular things in this game's history. It's extremely unlikely that I'll ever support it.

If I'm level 45 and kill a turd 50 with that gear I want to use it. If a level 40 manages to kill me, he should be able to use it, too.

[beia]

Yes because it was on a large scale. This is only specific equipment. Maybe 20/30 pieces total, out of all the equipment in the game.

[Davairus]

I found and solved an issue with rares, and heres the notes:

The corpse of Kronox is lying here.
The corpse of Kanina is lying here.
The corpse of Tokico is lying here.
The corpse of Edlendir is lying here.
The corpse of Glavrolneth is lying here.
The corpse of Raendir is lying here.
The corpse of Gjorben is lying here.
The corpse of Wicigo is lying here.
The corpse of Lanjiao is lying here.
The corpse of Flydoria is lying here.
The corpse of Jorbenstun is lying here.
The corpse of Gweic is lying here.
The corpse of Fulerton is lying here.
The corpse of Fyrvielle is lying here.
The corpse of Gilorn is lying here.
The corpse of Grimfrakk is lying here.
The corpse of Grimjark is lying here.
The corpse of Ivendel is lying here.
The corpse of Lufiers is lying here.
The corpse of Mesja is lying here.
The corpse of Ziamond is lying here.

[Stephen2Aus]

hahaha.. for real?

That's amazing

[Kedaleam]

[Ceridwel]

We had ourselves a grand corpse-stomping.

[Xenyar]

Other than the excessive hoarding, no pk-ing, minimal interaction and hours per month type chars... what was the ruling from the Imms as to how it came to an end finally? Just curious really... Because you don't see Dav drop the delete-hammer on a dozen chars like that very often...

Also to the couple of people that played these toons, why? Just plain and simple, why? Why waste your time power-logging hours for characters you don't do shit with, just to keep all the rares out of circulation? Maybe there will be something other than spiked gardes and tower bracelets in now... Curious if you two/(maybe three) will speak up.

BTW, Thank you! Big props to Dav/Imms for doing this. These people have taken alot of fun out of the game in my opinion...Hoard all the good shit, and don't give anybody a chance to get it back. It ruins the game having a slew of chars about that do the opposite of contributing to the game. They deserved what they got, in my book.

[Davairus]

It wasn't really hoarding, it was multi-charactering. Next time we see decked out lowbies, we will no longer assume they are innocent, but instead look aggressively for any cheating we missed. Feel free to post an inquiry if someone looks dressed too well for the level.

[ivindel]

So as per what Davairus had mentioned, all these characters were denied due to multi-charactering. These characters belonged to me and my wife. We had a discussion after we were caught and decided to provide all of their names to Davairus to make things easier. Anyway, we wanted to make this post as an obituary of sorts for this journey we had together in AR.

I was an old player some 10 plus years ago who came back to play in Oct 2015. I was introduced to CMUDPro and with Olyn's plugin, I started remapping and coding - building layers upon layers of systems within my client and I was still improving the client up to the point when we were caught. Thinking back now, this coding part of my journey was the most enjoyable experience I had thus far, while at the same time I started one of my very first characters, Grimjark. A few months later, I managed to convince my girlfriend (now wife) to play this game with me.

We both started small with a warrior each, tried various race combinations, trained our skills, farmed our way up with basic rares, then switched to using ore-forged armor. Then as time goes by, people started deleting their characters and the rares started to appear on mobs. We then started an invoker each for gathering end-tier equipment for each another. Before we knew it, we had accumulated more rares than we can hold and that's when the multi started. Well, past crimes always catch up to us, this is a clear example of that.

Anyway, for the benefit of those who are curious and for any new players who wants to know what kind of end-tier equipment they can gather, we wanted to share the list of equipment that we had prior to getting denied. So here goes:

Grimjark (lvl 50 stone warrior) (39/60)
<used as light> (Magical) (Glowing) (Humming) an ancient Banner of Illisidar
<worn on finger> (Glowing) (Humming) a dragonblood silver-grey signet of evisceration
<worn on finger> (Glowing) (Humming) a heavy-black dragonscale ring
<worn around neck> (Magical) a spiked collar
<worn around neck> (Glowing) (Humming) a dragonwing silver-grey collar of seeking
<worn on head> (Magical) (Glowing) a reinforced silver helmet of perfection
<worn on ear> (Humming) an embossed titanium earring
<worn on torso> (Magical) (Glowing) (Humming) a set of titanium fullplate
<worn on arms> (Magical) (Glowing) (Humming) a pair of titanium armplates
<worn on hands> (Magical) (Glowing) (Humming) a pair of spiked light-steel gauntlets
<worn on legs> (Magical) (Glowing) (Humming) a pair of thick titanium leg plates
<worn on feet> (Glowing) (Humming) a pair of spiked light-steel boots
<worn about body> (Magical) (Glowing) an unmoving black cloak
<worn about waist> (Humming) a thick, blue sash
<worn around wrist> (Humming) a frost burned bracelet
<worn around wrist> (Humming) a frost burned bracelet
<wielded> (Invis) (Magical) (Humming) the mace of disruption
<dual wielded> (Magical) (Glowing) (Humming) a Dagger of Chaos
<floating nearby> (Glowing) (Humming) a titanium talisman
<tattooed> (Glowing) a bloody bear claw with two crossed battle axes

Weapons:
frostbrand sword
mace of disruption
dead human wrapped in chains
huge iron sword
(Magical) (Glowing) (Humming) a crude spear
dagger of chaos

Lufiers (lvl 50 slith warrior) (40/50)
<used as light> (Magical) (Glowing) (Humming) an ancient Banner of Illisidar
<worn on finger> (Glowing) (Humming) a heavy-black dragonscale ring
<worn on finger> (Glowing) (Humming) a dragonblood silver-grey signet of maiming
<worn around neck> (Glowing) (Humming) a dragonblood silver-grey collar of evisceration
<worn around neck> (Magical) (Humming) a cloak made of skin
<worn on head> (Magical) (Humming) a reinforced silver helmet of perfection
<worn on torso> (Magical) (Glowing) (Humming) a set of titanium fullplate
<worn on arms> (Humming) striped sleeves of the tiger
<worn on hands> (Magical) (Glowing) (Humming) a pair of spiked light-steel gauntlets
<worn on legs> (Magical) (Glowing) reinforced golden greaves of perfection
<worn on feet> (Glowing) (Humming) a pair of spiked light-steel boots
<worn about body> (Magical) (Glowing) an unmoving black cloak
<worn about waist> (Glowing) a segmented belt of crimson scales
<worn around wrist> (Glowing) (Humming) a blood encrusted spiked steel bracelet
<worn around wrist> (Humming) a frost burned bracelet
<wielded> (Magical) (Glowing) (Humming) a mace of the unholy spirits
<dual wielded> (Magical) (Humming) the ebony kris
<floating nearby> (Glowing) (Humming) a bloody ioun

Weapons:
spiked mithril trident
ebony kris
lightning spear
blade of madness
frostbrand sword
mace of unholy spirits

Ivendel (lvl 50 elf warrior) (35/52)
<used as light> (Glowing) (Humming) the eye of the material abyss
<worn on finger> (Glowing) a sapphire ring
<worn on finger> (Humming) a band of destruction
<worn around neck> (Glowing) (Humming) a chaos charm-string of abyssal ears
<worn around neck> a dragonblood ensign cravat of evisceration
<worn on head> the Lost Crown of the Dwarven King
<worn on torso> (Glowing) a beautiful silver breastplate of perfection
<worn on arms> (Magical) (Glowing) superior golden vambraces of perfection
<worn on hands> (Glowing) a pair of lethal leather gloves
<worn on legs> a pair of dragonblood white-trimmed pants of pomposity
<worn on feet> (Glowing) (Humming) a pair of boots of conquest
<worn about body> (Magical) a beautiful gown of white samite
<worn about waist> (Magical) (Glowing) (Humming) a magic multi-plated girdle
<worn around wrist> a dragonblood goat-hide wristlet
<worn around wrist> a dragonblood goat-hide wristlet
<wielded> (Glowing) a heron-marked blade
<dual wielded> (Magical) (Glowing) (Humming) a long, brazen dagger
<stored in quiver> (Invis) (Magical) (Glowing) (Humming) a touch of winter (70)
<floating nearby> (Glowing) a drop of sunray

Weapons:
frostbrand sword
heron marked blade
diamond studded mace
sapphire encrusted dagger
long, brazen dagger
demoncage siege crossbow

Fyrvielle (lvl 50 slith warrior) (40/54)
<used as light> (Glowing) (Humming) an ancient Banner of Illisidar
<worn on finger> (Humming) an onyx ring
<worn on finger> (Humming) an onyx ring
<worn around neck> (Humming) a cloak made of skin
<worn around neck> (Glowing) (Humming) a chaos charm-string of abyssal ears
<worn on head> (Glowing) the Ancient Ranger Lord's Stetson
<worn on ear> (Humming) an embossed titanium earring
<worn on torso> (Glowing) (Humming) a set of titanium fullplate
<worn on arms> (Glowing) (Humming) a pair of titanium armplates
<worn on hands> (Glowing) (Humming) a pair of spiked light-steel gauntlets
<worn on legs> (Glowing) (Humming) a pair of thick titanium leg plates
<worn on feet> (Glowing) (Humming) a pair of spiked light-steel boots
<worn about body> an unmoving black cloak
<worn about waist> (Glowing) (Humming) a magic multi-plated girdle
<worn around wrist> (Humming) a bracelet of chain metal
<worn around wrist> (Humming) a frost burned bracelet
<wielded> (Glowing) (Humming) a spiked mithril trident
<dual wielded> (Humming) "daemoran", the weeping blade
<floating nearby> (Glowing) (Humming) a titanium talisman

Weapons:
pain of the damned
daemoran
spiked mithril trident
battlemaster's blade
lightning spear
the marauding trident of Paelloran

Spazimuth (lvl 50 jotun paladin) (31/50)
<used as light> (Glowing) an elven globe of light
<worn on finger> (Glowing) a dragonblood signet ring of evisceration
<worn on finger> (Glowing) a dragonblood signet ring of evisceration
<worn around neck> a dragonblood martyr's locket of evisceration
<worn around neck> a dragonblood ensign cravat of evisceration
<worn on head> (Humming) a beautiful silver helmet of perfection
<worn on torso> (Glowing) a superior golden breastplate of perfection
<worn on arms> (Glowing) beautiful silver vambraces of perfection
<worn on hands> (Humming) gauntlets of power
<worn on legs> reinforced golden greaves of perfection
<worn on feet> (Invis) boots of disregard
<worn about body> a beautiful gown of white samite
<worn about waist> (Glowing) a reinforced golden girth of perfection
<worn around wrist> a dragonblood goat-hide wristlet
<worn around wrist> a dragonblood goat-hide wristlet
<wielded> a Crackling Thunder hammer
<dual wielded> (Glowing) (Humming) a frostbrand sword
<floating nearby> a pale blue stone

Weapons:
(Glowing) 'Sevokan', the Bill of Virtue
a silver-bladed katana
(Invis) (Glowing) 'Lumithaeri', the sword of blazing light
(Glowing) a titanic truncheon of tenderizing
a Crackling Thunder hammer
(Glowing) (Humming) a frostbrand sword

Gweic (lvl 35 drow shadow) (38/42)
<used as light> (Glowing) (Humming) a blackened crystal rose
<worn on finger> a blackened fingernail
<worn on finger> a blackened fingernail
<worn around neck> a spiked collar
<worn around neck> (Humming) a cloak made of skin
<worn on head> (Glowing) (Humming) a faded black eye patch
<worn on torso> (Glowing) (Humming) a set of titanium fullplate
<worn on arms> (Glowing) (Humming) a pair of titanium armplates
<worn on hands> (Glowing) (Humming) a pair of spiked light-steel gauntlets
<worn on legs> (Humming) crimson leg plates of conquest
<worn on feet> (Glowing) (Humming) a pair of spiked light-steel boots
<worn about body> an unmoving black cloak
<worn about waist> (Humming) a thick, blue sash
<worn around wrist> (Glowing) a marked bracelet
<worn around wrist> (Glowing) a marked bracelet
<wielded> (Glowing) (Humming) a Dagger of Chaos
<held> (Glowing) the manual of nag'Yrn
<floating nearby> (Glowing) (Humming) the Gem of Anger

Weapons:
spear of devastation
lightning spear
(Glowing) (Humming) a Dagger of Chaos

Gilorn (lvl 30 fire warrior) (42/40)
<used as light> (Glowing) (Humming) a blackened crystal rose
<worn on finger> (Humming) 'Nezzruhziazan', the Band of the Tarantula
<worn on finger> (Glowing) an iron spider
<worn around neck> (Glowing) a cat's eye neck pendant
<worn around neck> a dragonwing cloak of darkness
<worn on head> the dead star circlet
<worn on torso> a vest of dark satin
<worn on arms> (Glowing) (Humming) the armbands of Order
<worn on hands> (Glowing) (Humming) a pair of spiked light-steel gauntlets
<worn on legs> reinforced golden greaves of perfection
<worn on feet> (Glowing) (Humming) some spider-climbing slippers
<worn about body> an unmoving black cloak
<worn about waist> (Glowing) a superior silver girth of perfection
<worn around wrist> a wraith band
<worn around wrist> a wraith band
<wielded> (Glowing) (Humming) a mace of the unholy spirits
<dual wielded> (Glowing) (Humming) a dark dagger of voodoo
<floating nearby> (Humming) a voodoo doll

Weapons:
(Glowing) (Humming) a wide-bladed steel sabre
(Humming) a spiked mithril trident
(Glowing) (Humming) a dark dagger of voodoo
(Glowing) (Humming) a mace of the unholy spirits

Fulerton (lvl 30 storm warrior) (32/40)
<used as light> (Glowing) a light of simplicity
<worn on finger> (Magical) a signet ring of Sarich
<worn on finger> (Glowing) an iron spider
<worn around neck> (Magical) a spruce blue cape
<worn around neck> (Magical) a spruce blue cape
<worn on head> (Magical) (Glowing) a reinforced golden helmet of perfection
<worn on torso> (Magical) (Glowing) a beautiful silver breastplate of perfection
<worn on arms> rugged sleeves of the bull
<worn on hands> (Humming) red adamantine gloves
<worn on legs> (Magical) (Humming) reinforced silver greaves of perfection
<worn on feet> (Glowing) a pair of turtle shell boots
<worn about body> (Magical) a beautiful gown of white samite
<worn about waist> (Magical) (Glowing) a beautiful golden girth of perfection
<worn around wrist> a dragonblood goat-hide wristlet
<worn around wrist> a dragonblood goat-hide wristlet
<wielded> (Glowing) (Humming) the hammer of the Lost Kingdom
<dual wielded> (Magical) (Glowing) (Humming) a frostbrand sword
<floating nearby> (Glowing) a drop of sunray

Weapons:
(Glowing) (Humming) the hammer of the Lost Kingdom
(Magical) (Glowing) (Humming) a frostbrand sword
(Magical) (Glowing) (Humming) a beautiful shortsword
a bastard sword

Jorbenstun (lvl 50 gnome invoker)
<used as light> (Magical) (Glowing) a rod of neutrality
<worn on finger> (Glowing) an iron spider
<worn on finger> (Magical) a studded skull ring
<worn around neck> (Magical) (Glowing) (Humming) a cloak made of skin
<worn around neck> (Magical) a black velvet cloak
<worn on head> (Magical) (Humming) a faded black eye patch
<worn on torso> (Magical) (Glowing) overlapping plates of black armor
<worn on arms> (Magical) beautiful silver vambraces of perfection
<worn on hands> (Magical) (Glowing) (Humming) a pair of spiked light-steel gauntlets
<worn on legs> (Magical) (Glowing) a pair of charcoal-blackened loose-fitting trousers
<worn on feet> (Magical) (Glowing) a pair of turtle shell boots
<worn as shield> (Magical) (Glowing) (Humming) the warshield of Gonturan
<worn about body> (Magical) an unmoving black cloak
<worn about waist> Nothing.
<worn around wrist> (Magical) (Glowing) a marked bracelet
<worn around wrist> (Magical) a bone bracelet
<wielded> (Magical) (Glowing) (Humming) a wide-bladed steel sabre
<floating nearby> (Magical) (Glowing) the stone of the dragons

Weapons:
(Magical) (Humming) the battlemaster's blade
(Magical) (Glowing) (Humming) 'chautard-ta', the Meteor Hammer
(Magical) (Glowing) (Humming) the spear of Ages
(Magical) (Glowing) (Humming) an emerald longsword

Flydoria (lvl 50 quasit invoker)
<used as light> (Glowing) (Humming) a mystical banner of the dragon-magi
<worn on finger> (Glowing) (Humming) the ring of the zodiac
<worn on finger> (Magical) a golden serpent ring
<worn around neck> (Glowing) (Humming) a crystal-studded pendant
<worn around neck> (Humming) (Ruined) a black sun medallion
<worn over face> (Magical) (Glowing) (Humming) a face of horror
<worn on ear> (Magical) a cryo earring
<worn on torso> (Glowing) (Humming) black crystal breastplate
<worn on arms> (Magical) some grotesque arm guards
<worn on hands> (Glowing) a pair of rustic gloves
<worn on legs> (Glowing) (Humming) a pair of black crystal leggings
<worn on feet> (Glowing) mirrored boots of the mindflayer
<worn as shield> (Glowing) a buckler covered in slimy scales
<worn about body> (Glowing) a mystical velvet robe of the magi
<worn about waist> (Glowing) (Humming) a belt of invokation
<worn around wrist> (Glowing) a thick, golden bracelet
<worn around wrist> (Glowing) a thick, golden bracelet
<wielded> (Invis) the eviscerator
<floating nearby> (Glowing) (Humming) the Gem of Envy

Weapons:
dagger of chaos
'Un-Rkizk', trident of Massacre
xel morak
(Magical) (Glowing) (Humming) 'Viel Dyreth,' the Maul of the Ancients

Lastly, we had Kronox, a lvl 50 fire berserker, holding more than a 1000 of each silver and golden ores in more than 3 sacks - ore farming is not hard, just takes abit of time.

It's been a good run for the both of us and we are glad to say that we did not delete any of our characters till the end.

[Lorne]

Wow...you had like everything. I was wondering it was kind of curious soon as I got Imm, my titanium set/weapons was on Grimjark so fast.

Speaking of Grimjark, I noticed you played alot with automatic triggers/code embedded in your pk. While obviously you had alot of success with it and became an accomplished Warlord dueling/fighting as a warrior this way it only gets you so far. I think this actually hindered you from going up (or back up? I don't know if you pked before) to the next level. Veteran opponents will be able to pick up on your triggers/coding behaviors and use it to your advantage while you yourself won't learn instinctively what to do at gambling situations to give you the best odd of winning.

That is some superstar status in hoarding though, lol. It's too bad you never really put most of it to good use, like someone said, uber eq is only uber when you own people with it. Otherwise it's just humming and glowing.

[ivindel]

You lost your set to Sevaush who back then gave it to Fyrvielle in Legion. She had it ever since. Grimjark got his set by gathering it from the mobs. Anyway, one thing I had wanted to mention is that we both kinda got tired of pking. The code is always evolving. Having the triggers to reduce the human delay is better than having none at all. What restricted us was not the code but the geological limitation of 200ms ping from Singapore because no matter what we do, we can only be as fast as this delay allows us and this fact just sickens us. The difference can definitely be felt when we had 140ms in Taiwan. I cannot imagine having only 50ms.

At the end, we just became collectors. Our thinking had been - "if anyone wanted anything from my corpse, you need to first find me, then you need to kill me. Good luck with that"

[beia]

Hate to say it but... I told you so... I missed maybe 2 of the toons on that list. I knew something was not right. I really hope you don't do this shit again.


Also is there going to be a major reboot so that all the equipment can pop back up, or is that no longer needed?

[Lorne]

Yes, that is correct, I lost quite a few pieces to Sevaush.

Being a collector is totally fine...you just can't cheat to do it. Than you're not really a collector, you're just someone that typed in black sheep wall.

[tayyah]

you guys are fucking cheaters and someone needs to delete this giant brag post they out up

[Olyn]

I appreciate you helping us out. Once we started to wade into the ip addresses and the logs to see how deep this went, I was shocked. At one point I was just staring at my computer screen dumbfounded. I can''t comprehend how you managed to keep that many characters active with rares without really interacting with other players, but I'm glad they're back in circulation.

[Ceridwel]

I'd like to reiterate my idea that we implement a minimum # of days counter into the existing minimum # of hours counter for keeping rares. It won't solve the problem outright, but it should help curb instances of storage characters like this.

Beia, good job calling this guy out.

[Olyn]

There's nothing here that needs censored. It's something we hate to do. Go enjoy the game.