Changes to cabals

[Davairus]

Since we can't improve individual cabals without running into the same repeated problems inherent to every single one of them (warriors inferior since can't locate, cabals frequently ending up led by chicken word-of-recall-and-cure clerics that nobody kills, countless indecisive standoffs, etc etc) I made some more effective changes to the general cabal picture.

[Ace High]

[Trillian]

very nice shakeup davairus... very nice.

[Davairus]

Couple updates adding to the "additon" section.

Post grievances with the system here, and I will address your grievance either here or in game. Please do not use this thread to complain about INDIVIDUAL cabals - I am aware of issues with that, but I am dealing with the bigger picture at this point. Remember, we still have a way to go with this. It is a work in progress that's good enough to be open, that is all I am comfortable saying until time has revealed the oversights.

[Amdorin]

From initial reaction, seems clerics will own confinement.

[Davairus]

The small area space doesn't give them the freedom to flee around and cure like shit. And since the cabal is no-regen, they definitely can't do their tick catching game.

[Davairus]

two new additions, search and henchmen. oh yeah and confinement stops clerics using word of recall too, which saves their ass a lot normally.

[Hilemal]

[Davairus]

Word is a big spelll Hilemal, thats why a lot of people bother to get it mastered.

1) You can't quaff recall in combat without dicking over your weapons
2) recalls cost 3000 gold not 5 mana

Fighting in small space has always been death sentence for people that depend on things like out of combat actions (like spam cure critical) and ticks.

[Trillian]

Clerics are greatly weakened in a smaller area. The two-round attack on murder makes fleeing/curing against a warrior-esque class nearly impossible. Assuming 5 attacks in the initial round, and assuming 2-3 hit for mauls (possibly higher), the damage intake is greater cure's output. So, as a cleric in confined spaces, you're basically forced to outdamage the opponent.. not the easiest thing in the world to do.

[Phostan]

Murder is one round lag, not two. Five attacks going through is bloody rare, even if you're dual wielding and have second and third and fourth attack mastered, and even if murder gives you double the attacks. But yes, shamans get owned with confinement. Healers? They have divine retribution, I imagine they tend to do a bit better.

[Davairus]

Well it would be nice if you could see more of the implications of the system than just "clerics suck now". But yeah I'm aware of clerics not doing well confined. Clerics are best used to support a raid not solo one.

[Burzuk]

Numerically speaking, high-wis shamans (human) fare the best confined and solo due to long weapon ward duration and fairly good defenses and casting. Duergars are good vs paladins and other spellcaster due to magic resist, but are vulnerable to wards dropping during combat and aren't great casters. Drows are great casters but need either room to maneuver and regen due to low staying power, or preferably a tank. Fires are the best shaman tanks, but don't have the casting power for the long fight. In other words:

Human = all around
Duergar = anti-magic tank
Fire = anti-physical tank
Drow = casting support

On the good-aligned side of the equation, both dwarf and human make pretty good solo healers, with dwarves trading anti-magic and physical staying power (both high hp and high shield block) against the human's improved mana base and mana regen. Storms and elves are pretty similar in roles to their fire and drow shaman counterparts, while avians and halflngs are a little odd as clerics from a numbers standpoint.

Not all clerical types will be as equally-suited for solo play as others. You'll have to learn to leverage your strengths to compensate for your weaknesses.

[Hrash]

ie No more solo killing. GANGBANG! GANGBANG!


:)

[Trillian]

I smell a comeback from hrash..

[Davairus]

Update: giving cabal items to somebody else's cabal than your own no longer works. You're meant to be capturing them for your own cabal.

[Davairus]

Update: "possession" command is back working. Has some new features for cabal characters, namely showing where your item is and what items your cabal has captured.

[jaran]

Just realised that I should have put my post about the cabal's in this thread, apologies for that - please feel free to move it.

[Davairus]

Update: cabals will now apply their flags on those who captured their items. Capturing the Knight item will incur an outlaw, Legion a contract, the Justice a WANTED and Warlord a deathmark. In order to capture an item you must have the resolve to deal withthe flags they will bring you.

These flags apply AUTO, nobody needs to be online to give them.

[Davairus]

Update:

As of now, if your cabal has captured an item, you must remain in the realms to maintain your possession of the item. Once the last member of your cabal has departed, a countdown begins. The captured item will eventually be returned to its altar. This is compensation for cabals being raided with no opposition - you are still welcome to do that, but stay present to keep it.

Walkthrough
- Justice raids Legion, takes the item and secures it.
- The Legions die, leaves. The item stays secured.
- The last Justice finally leaves. A countdown begins.
- A Legion arrives. The countdown keeps going.
- Countdown ends. Item returns to Legion.

This is not intended to alleviate the taking of cabal items, only to do something about items remaining where they are with nobody around to control them.