AR Poker Debut

[Faelon]

[crazyhorse]

I really dont like the idea of the 'wilds'


I really hate the fact that you dont play poker...lol

All-in is a requirement. Period. It isnt the same game otherwise. All in is a HUGE tactic in a lot of peoples hands. You know when to play it, you know when you dont. I wont play if there are these little limits. Texas hold em is a great game, which I love to play. And this little altered rendition is...Just not very fun. (especialy when you get pushed out of a pot because you dont have enough coin)

[Vhrael]

One thing that you all need to try and keep in perspective is the fact that you're not playing AR to play "Texas Hold 'Em"... you're playing poker within a larger game. All the talk about "all-in should be allowed" is great, up until the first time a thief walks in, looks at the table to see who's got the 100k, then goes blackjack/gold-steal crazy.

Just keep that in mind. It's a small, small part (albeit a fun and entertaining way to gamble now) of a much larger game dynamic.

[Davairus]

So anyway, fix for the two pair evaluation "bug" is going in, hopefully that will work fine. I tested it.

All-in's are complicated mullet.. thats why its taking a while.

1) I still dont have a good thorough explanation from anyone. (example, clif doesnt say what happens if theres only 2 people in the game, or maybe the more general case, everyone is all in, or what happens to the side pots if someone just gets up and leaves)
2) Its pretty difficult to actually code. See 1. I'm not going to be pleased when I have to undo 7-8 hours of coding work because its "wrong".

Oh yeah, and you obviously know less about poker than I do, because you dont seem to know:

- limit poker is very popular, and not every variation of it -needs- all-ins.
- "wild card" poker is an existing poker format called "Joker's wild", they use it on the slots, because it makes strong hands easier. I found it researching poker.

Ta.

[_Clifton_]

[crazyhorse]

I didnt say that the joker thing was 'wrong'

I said I thought it was lame. (my personal oppinion, but still)

I also think limit poker is lame...(my personal oppinion again)

Im not saying that it sucks. Im just saying I prolly wont play the new poker if those two things are involved. Just the way I feel, and you said that we should speak out if the game isnt going to get played.


The game isnt going to get played by me.

I also didnt realise that you were implimenting it...I had thought you were going to keep it as is.

I think you should go to pokerstars.net (or something) and just play some holdem. Play some no limit holdem, its all free I think ( I cant remember the site I used to use that was free, but from the comercials, they say this one is a free site). Just sit down, have some fun. Generaly a bunch of people go all in on the first hand, (kinda lame, but since its free its the only thing to expect).

Go play for a couple hours, and it will speak to you. Its really really hard to explain just 'what' all in is.

[Gygh]

My ideas:

Highcard- last resort if you don't have anything else (one pair, two of a kind, etc.).

Wild cards- speaks for itself.

The ability to gamble items as well- the code would probably look similar to the auction code.

Wait out adreneline to enter and then have a peace flag on the room. Or a mob to force or push the abusful players (both the attacker and attacked- first using the peace command, because players can't move while fighting (if forced) and I'm not sure if players can/should be pushed if they're fighting another player who will be pushed in the same direction as well (I'm not sure if it would cause a continued/reinitiated fight with a yell- meaning that the attacked player could get into trouble for simply being attacked)) out of the room so as not to interfere with the game with attack messages.

[Vhrael]

[Slade]

Was off being my lurker self but a number of things jumped out at me here.

1. Limit poker is great, just like NL. Just a different flavor. Also, this already isn't limit now in that you aren't stuck with a fixed bet. You can choose any bet/raise amount in between the minimum and maximum, so theres still a good deal of flexibility there. I like the idea of a max raise. Perhaps 1.5x the big blind instead of 1x though?

As far as all-ins, you don't need to go NL and let people go all-in whenever. Instead, I think what people are trying to get across is the importance of protecting someone who has run out of money in a hand. You simply cannot have someone fold because sorry, they can't match the bet.

2. No Darkhaven! No one congregates there and people won't start because of poker. With poker at Seringale you should actually be able to get a game at a decent rate hopefully. It also adds one more thing that reinforces Seringale's role as the central hub and center of activity which is good for a number of reasons. Seringale is just a great location for a game like this.

[Faelon]

[Davairus]

Well I'll just do a special wild-poker for darkhaven then at some point. I like variety. The blackjack game already taught me that you need to get the vanilla version working before trying anything unique on top.

[Davairus]

More updates:


Name of game is "Whirlwind Poker". This is to fit in with the Serin-"Gale" roleplay.

Folding has been recoded so that folded players stay in the game and join in on the next round. This required considerable overhaul and was necessary to do before all-ins would be possible. So we'll wait a bit first, if you see games bugging out because you folded..then let me know about it asap.

[Davairus]

Last update for a bit, all-in's are turning out a lot more complicated than I expected so this is a "working fix".

1) Max raise has been raised to 1.5 * big blind. e.g. big blind 1000 = 1500. If the math is hard for you, you can try thinking of it as 3 * small blind.

2) Transactions are banned in the room when games are in progress, no dropping gold, no giving gold, etc.

3) If you idle on the table when its your turn for too long, you'll get kicked off.

4) New "Whirlwind Round". This is the working fix for all-ins.

If you raise, and the amount is sufficient enough to put the least rich bankrupt, your raise is lowered to whatever they have. The round then becomes the whirlwind round, instead of being flop,river, etc. You can call, or fold as usual, but you can't raise in the whirlwind round. At the end of the whirlwind round, all cards are dealt to the table, and a winner is judged. In addition, if someone finishes the whirlwind round broke, they'll be kicked off the table.

[Davairus]