illithid class

[Soldier]

I think its unfair having illithids only getting one class among other races but i'll stick with this first. I think illithids should get another class like necromancer or invoker or something it just narrows down possibilities of <RP> what ideas you got.?

[Esivole]

they USED to be able to be psionicists, but they were removed.
Illithids are a powerful race in my opinion, don't want to give them something that they will just own with. However, I do agree with you, I would like to see more options also. Same for werebeast, and maybe sliths and minotaurs. Just a thought. any for them in sight?

[Soldier]

Like I said stick with illithid for now. I think it is total bullshit that theres all these races but no class options a slith berserker might be cool shit like that and it shouldn't be too hard. As for illithids you don't get a weapon why not have some golems or make well theres not too many mage classes but a invoker might be pretty sweet all that many and some nice spells and sanc that might be overpowered.

[Altheripper]

Slith rangers were raw. That's why they're gone. Illithid invoker would be pretty hardcore.

[Soldier]

Yeah but a necromancer is almost the same thing as a illusionist instead of phantasmal griffon you get flesh golem, instead of illusionary spectre you get stone golem, instead of duplicate you get animate corpse and instead of prismatic spray you get acid blast that kind of even without the hunt down spells like gate just my opinion.

[Slade]

I'd like to see illithid get another class. In favor of expanded combos (not too much) in general. The problem is most either don't make sense or are unbalanced.

Some that I think could work:

Half-Elf Ninja
Half-Elf Thief
Werebeast Warrior
Illithid Necromancer (doesn't make tons of sense, but neither does illusionist for them, so why not? invoker has a slight weapons flavor as far as mages go so thats out)
Avian Dark-Knight (no dodge kills the old balance issues)
Slith Berserker (wouldn't be that massive of a stretch, and less balance issues than ranger)
Minotaur Warrior (no charge/any extra perks, still probably a bit strong but I think every race should have at least two classes to choose from)

[Baer]

[Esivole]

okay, this is all basicly on logicalities and rp,
half-elf thief - makes sense, most are outcast from society, or something like that.
half-elf ninja makes a little less sense to me, though that is after all, just me.
werebeast warr - perhaps.
Illithid necro, -a bit of sense. yes, I can see that.
Avian DK - yes, makes sense to me.
Slith berserker - makes very little sense to me. I can't imagin an angry lizard guy, then again, just me.
Mino warr - I have always thought they shouldn't have gotten rid of them.

[Davairus]

If you think necro is same as illusionist then you've obviously never been slept. Illusionists just try to assassinate you with dispel and then gate when their dupes fade. That's pretty much all they do. Necromancers are a lot scarier than that, considering they have perm-charmies and vamp touch, sleep, etc. The fact they dont have gate or temporary buff charmies makes it hard to play them straight up like an illus though.

[Burzuk]

Sliths, minotaurs, and werebeasts were designed to be class-specific when they were implemented over purge -- one for each pure fighting class, you'll notice. While I was away, the interim imps opened them up to other classes, which they should not have. (If that's what Stryth and I had wanted, we would've made it that way to begin with.) Now that those three races been restored to their original purpose, do not expect them to be opened up to other classes again.

There'll be some race/class/ethos changes in the next two modules (afflictive and religion). They'll cut both ways -- some race/class/ethos combinations will be restricted, while new combinations will be opened up. No, they'll not be announced ahead of time: you'll find out once they go in.

[Xerties]

I'm just wondering, why be so secretive about the new stuff to come out?

[Soldier]

And when will that be exactly?

[Burzuk]

Yeah, we tried announcing things ahead of time -- for example, changes to fly (trip/dirt related) and curse weapon (can't remove by lowering str anymore). People just complained about the changes without even having seen them, bitched about our reasoning, etc.

It's not about being secretive, it's just that experience has demonstrated that no good things and only bad things for us comes out of pre-announcing. If I were to say "once we're done with legacy A and B, combo X will be available", I wouldn't get a "thank for the head's up". No, I'd get the "legacies A/B is too strong/weak" complaints even before they go in, as well as "why not try legacies C/D instead", "if we have combo X we have to allow combo Y as well", as well as my perennial favorite, "it's been three days, where are my legacies A/B and combo X???"

At the end of the day, the changes won't affect you until they've been implemented, anyway -- knowing about upcoming legacies A/B won't let you use them any earlier, for instance. We've given you some broad ideas about what's in store (discrete change modules, etc) and that's as specific as we need to get, really.

[Xerties]

Alright, I was just curious