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the illusionist in roleplay

 
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deauja



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 5:34 am    Post subject: the illusionist in roleplay

can an illusionist hide from a player and cause mobs too say things directed at that player? who would a character like that be able too rp with?
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Davairus
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 10:32 am    Post subject:

Invisibility and Ventriloquate? Illusionists can also make exact copies of lots of mobs with their Duplicate spell.
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Erlwith



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 5:31 pm    Post subject:

You can, but it'll likely fail at some point, and then the jig is up.

My favorite illusionist spell is shadowform.
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Vhrael
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 6:03 pm    Post subject:

Davairus wrote:
Invisibility and Ventriloquate? Illusionists can also make exact copies of lots of mobs with their Duplicate spell.

From an RP perspective, think it's hard for a lot of people to get into the illusionist "roleplay" with these spells. Ventriloquate, even when mastered, has a significant chance of failure.

Code:
"Someone makes demon say 'OoOOoOoOooH, beware my cuuuuuuurrrrssee!'"


Just kinda loses its flair there. With the duplicates, I think the presentation makes it hard for people to buy into the roleplay.

You see:
"An illusion of a Triton Watchman is standing here... blah blah blah."

What you "should" think (as your character):
"Ooh, it's a Triton Watchman standing there."

What you actually think as a player:
"I'll dispel that dupe and be done with it."

The separation (or lack thereof) between character- and player-knowledge becomes the same separation between enjoyable and ineffective roleplay. I don't know of a way to make it more "roleplay-friendly" while preserving gameplay mechanics, but if anybody has ideas it would definitely be a nice conversation piece.
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Erlwith



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 6:21 pm    Post subject:

If you're asking about ideas on how to make illusions look more realistic "in game" well... I'd say have them do random emotes. (Rare, as not to spam the room with clutter). This gives them a "personality", for example illusions would have special emotes like "The triton watchman looks to <illusionist> for his next command", or "The translucent gnoll turns his head from left to right."

As far as presentation maybe change it from the obvious "Illusion of X is here." to "A mirriored X is here." or "The figure of X is here."
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Davairus
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 7:06 pm    Post subject:

Just because you haven't fooled anyone with ventriloquate Vhrael, doesnt mean nobody can. Its a fun way to mess with newbs.
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Vhrael
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 7:40 pm    Post subject:

I wasn't saying it can't be done... but if you're a "supremely powerful illusionist" and you fail ventriloquate even if it's mastered, it makes you look stupid.

I'm just trying to bring up points to help immersion. I realize it's "possible" to do, but it's not a reliable RP device.
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Grayden



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 5:42 pm    Post subject:

I am really good at rp with an illusionist, sure I was bummed that haste got gimped (not to mention the lag added to the gate spell) but with the addition of hob spark my favorite guild is not being overlooked. Yes illusionist run if you attack them only stupid people stand there and die it is not being weak it is being smart. Unlike some classes an illusionist needs to start the fight to have a chance of winning. My favorite thing for ventriloquate is Death says, "Sorry Grayden but your time is up" ////very important if you use the spell as death and screw with people you will lose the spell.//// and if you read all this you have too much exta time.

Grayden Grim of the Bloody Fields of Flesh
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beia



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 6:57 pm    Post subject:

When I play my illusionist i would rather sit and talk than fight but them dumb Legions keep attacking me Razz illus vs illus *sighs* well being a pure neutral illusionist is fun to rp with you dont have to fight any one most of the time as long as you buy protection and always offer to train with the knights when the Legions are not around......
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Smotpoker



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 6:59 pm    Post subject:

biea do you have an illusionist and whats his name if yes
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Erlwith



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 6:59 pm    Post subject:

my illus used to get owned hardcore by anyone with a jagged sword. he was fun for gating around and such but idk just got bored. though i wish i hadn't deleted him.
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Vanisse
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 7:01 pm    Post subject:

being a pure neutral *anything* is easy to rp with...everyone loves help ranking/hoarding rares after storms Laughing
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Smotpoker



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 7:03 pm    Post subject:

try an evil thief that humps chickens if anyone does that I will laugh my ass off for an hour.


Torkalen already has the market cornered on goats
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beia



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 7:07 pm    Post subject:

Hmm yes that would be intresting



Beia backstabs a chicken and watches as smotpoker humps it
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beia



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 7:10 pm    Post subject:

Hey dont being a pot head is a way of life, you took the oath when you took your first hit now you cant stop!!! untill you come to reality but im only 17 so i have a few more months to live it up
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Smotpoker



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 7:14 pm    Post subject:

man im 18 and im still smoking weed and I will always smoke weed even when I am old and wearing an adult dipper I'm gonna be in my wheelchair hey fucker pass the joint...oh shit I just shit myself
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beia



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 7:16 pm    Post subject:

lol nice I just smoke out of my gb or hukkah sometimes a nice j or so
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beia



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 11:33 am    Post subject:

With an illusionist rp style, you should always strive for mastering your spells, it is a huge factor, Like my lv 45 illusionist is better than most in the realms because of one thing, he has some key spells and skills at 100, once you get to a certin level you will know what skills and spells I am talking about.....
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Vanisse
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 12:09 pm    Post subject:

Code:
ventriloquate       100%
Shocked
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beia



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 12:14 pm    Post subject:

Vanisse wrote:
Code:
ventriloquate       100%
Shocked



Thats the key one Razz
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