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Bones V2.0
Joined: 17 Jan 2004 Posts: 295 Location: Universal
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Posted: Fri Apr 09, 2004 6:38 pm Post subject: Monks. |
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I know RP reasons are listed as to why monks can't be neutral, but what are the game play issues behind this?
As the cabal selections are generally narrowed, with monks being removed from the Knights, and in disfavor with the Legion (last I heard), having such polarized choices is making less sense.
Contemplative, meditation, and... evil? Or good? It truly does seem like monks belong in the neutral category, and perhaps should be restricted to it alone.
In conclusion:
---EDIT---
Also get rid of slith monks. |
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Avendin
Joined: 30 Jan 2004 Posts: 400
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Posted: Fri Apr 09, 2004 7:30 pm Post subject: |
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Equipment choice, for one. Also, defense from protection. Both would contribute to making neutral monks a lot harder hitting. It's a good point you make, though. |
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Asyndic
Joined: 10 Feb 2004 Posts: 100
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Posted: Fri Apr 09, 2004 8:45 pm Post subject: |
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Neutral Monks would pwn peeps... |
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Bones V2.0
Joined: 17 Jan 2004 Posts: 295 Location: Universal
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Posted: Fri Apr 09, 2004 8:55 pm Post subject: |
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Asyndic wrote: |
Neutral Monks would pwn peeps... |
With the exception of protection being less effective, how? |
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ssgtortho
Joined: 05 Apr 2004 Posts: 84
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Posted: Sun Apr 11, 2004 4:23 am Post subject: |
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You have the Shaman/Healer Paladin/Dark-Knight, and the Dual monks. Neutral classes are missing out on a lot, period! |
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Brains
Joined: 08 Feb 2004 Posts: 248
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Posted: Sun Apr 11, 2004 5:42 am Post subject: |
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Protection reduces the amount of damage recieved by about 33%. While not as effective as Sanctuary, when a person fights against someone of the opposite alignment, that extra 33% helps a lot.
Neutrals are not affected by Protection in any way. They cannot have the spell cast on them and their dealt damage is not reduced by the spell. |
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E-ant
Joined: 16 Jan 2004 Posts: 434 Location: Estonia
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Posted: Sun Apr 11, 2004 8:58 am Post subject: |
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Except for shield of words which is a protection from all for all.
<--- The office guy dances better than kalists spidey |
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sweet_canadian_buzzcut
Joined: 11 Apr 2004 Posts: 18
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Posted: Sun Apr 11, 2004 9:04 am Post subject: |
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*twitch* |
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Vertas
Joined: 17 Jan 2004 Posts: 1168 Location: Ewa Beach, HI
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Posted: Sun Apr 11, 2004 10:59 pm Post subject: |
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sweet_canadian_buzzcut wrote: |
*twitch* |
let me guess, mullet right? |
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Amdorin
Joined: 16 Jan 2004 Posts: 829 Location: No matter how much a failure, no life is worthless. You can always serve as a bad example.
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Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2004 3:48 pm Post subject: |
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Was it the "Sweet_Canadian" part that gave you that hint Vertas? Or the buzzcut/mullet similarity?
*complete sarcasm* |
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Sebryn
Joined: 16 Jan 2004 Posts: 1185
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Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2004 4:15 pm Post subject: |
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"Buzzcut" was my suggestion... thanks for taking it, mullet... |
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Flying Hampster of Doom
Joined: 16 Jan 2004 Posts: 423
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Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2004 5:06 pm Post subject: |
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When I think of monks I see a religious person, meditative true, thoughtful also true, yet they have a specific religous purpose that they hold true too. I think people put evils in a specific class that is neither meditative nor thoughtful, yet by definition of religion an evil doesnt necessarily have to be a murder incapable of intelligent discourse. Evil can be seen as a religious beleif in a specific god being more capable or powerful then another. Hence monks should remain in the good and evil catagory so that these fighting clerics can remain true to their religious cause. |
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Gygh
Joined: 22 Jan 2004 Posts: 288 Location: Vancouver, WA
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Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2004 5:35 am Post subject: Re: |
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Umm, yeah I know some people get pissed when Ar and D&D are mentioned in the same sentance, but they are similar. Monks in D&D are usually neutral, for they deicate the majority of thier time to mediation and are (like palidans) not supposed to be greedy. Also a monk (in D&D) cannot go against thier alignment or else they will essentually be outcasted and can no longer gain ranks in that class... Basically I think monks should be neutral, atleast Seebo would be safer that way. |
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Shughurd
Joined: 21 May 2004 Posts: 128 Location: Estonia
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Posted: Fri May 21, 2004 7:46 am Post subject: hrm |
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neutral monk will be stronger than good or evil monk... becz thx to equipment. and aye it hits harder to others. |
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a ponderer
Joined: 17 May 2004 Posts: 96 Location: Hawai`i
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Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2004 5:37 am Post subject: |
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i have played a monk up firly high, and i'm afraid that i don't see the need for a neutral monk.if i remember corectly, they can be evil/good and neutral/lawful that makes perfsct sense for what a monk is to me. i don't see how a monk can be neutral, that would no longer be a monk, it would be like... YOGAist or some such crappy thing. |
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Phostan Immortal
Joined: 08 Mar 2004 Posts: 332
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Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2004 6:30 am Post subject: |
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Numbnut, it makes enough sense that a monk could be neutral. They believe in (keyword)'balance'(as in neutral), and harmony, and all things in moderation. They have religious believes, but dont believe in forcing it or demonstrating it upon others(which goods and evils are prone to do)
Monks are like Jedi. I mean, okay, technically Jedi are a force for good, but they're pretty pacifistic until the Sith start coming after them. And in all groups of people who take the time to learn the neat monk kung-fu-pow action, some claim to want to know it only for self-defense, but instead want it for power. Kinda like the Sith. Blah blah blah, yadda yadda. And I don't know about neutral monks getting sweet eq. I think a lot of the light weight eq that monks can wear is either good only or evil only, or usable by all three races. There isnt a lot of neutral only stuff. Rod of neutrality? 3 dr, like, well, the blackened crystal rose, except no +1 con. But, what people said about no one being able to use protection against them, is true, people would very likely get owned by a neutral monk. It just makes the game a lot more interesting to have them evil and good. If every monk was neutral, they wouldn't get to go on as big of rampages as the goods and evils, and they'd be boring, and dull, like bards are, far as I'm concerned, thats good enough reason to keep them good or evil only. Oh, and there has been the one or two exceptions to monks in D&D who've been chaotic evil instead of lawful or neutral and what not..but that's about as big of an exception as Drizzt. |
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Seryie
Joined: 16 Jan 2004 Posts: 574 Location: Australia, Adelaide
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Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2004 8:11 am Post subject: |
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Heres a little tip for some of you : don't bring back up dead ass threads that haven't been in discussion for a long ass time.. Check the posting date!! |
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DropThat
Joined: 30 Jan 2004 Posts: 148
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Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2004 9:55 am Post subject: |
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Obviously this post is still relevant, otherwise it wouldnt have been brought back up. Would you rather they create another post about this ? because as far as I know, you people dont like two topics that deal with the same thing.
Seryie, if theres people who keep bringing it up, it isnt dead. people will probably bring this up again later, whether or not this topic is still around so why not just shut up and let them voice their opinion here.
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Seryie
Joined: 16 Jan 2004 Posts: 574 Location: Australia, Adelaide
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Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2004 10:06 am Post subject: |
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If something is that long dead, I don't think it's needed to have any more thoughts placed into it. |
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Phostan Immortal
Joined: 08 Mar 2004 Posts: 332
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Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2004 9:38 pm Post subject: |
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I dunno Seryie, I think Dropthat kinda shut you down there, by producing a good point. Some people feel the need to tell others off like you did for the sake of ego boosting(I know I do) But really, unless you do it in a cruel, witty way, no one else is going to appreciate it. If old threads werent meant to be brought back up, I'm sure an Immortal could take the time to lock the thread. But it looks open to me. |
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