Barkskin for Rangers

[Arishel]

Even with Treant thews, I am assuming from the log on invokation, that it tames the fire vulnerability. Here's something that may be an alternative to such problems.

This is why I was thinking that the barkskins should have a shorter affect time, but a vulnerability to them. E.g. Ginko protects against fire, make it weak to ice. Pine protects against ice? Make it weak to fire, etc. Almost like an invokers fire/ice shield.

If that option doesn't float your boat (crazyhorse) Lmao. Then I propose making ginko bark just reduce the damage a bit more, but not as significantly. A moderate reduction, persay.

[crazyhorse]

I think it shouldnt be vulnerable to the opposite, but it shouldnt turn decimates in to grazes. Thats just crazy.

[Arishel]

Perhaps you're right, but what would you say to the barkskin only lasting as long as 2 hours, or compared to a weapon ward? Then the barkskin could be changed to get the jump on the vulnerability, but be balanced enough to be vulnerable. Plus this would help with killing the higher level mobs with those weapons, making it a bit more strategic than just having a 24 hour barkskin reduction.

Or instead of it lasting 2-4 hours, give rangers a revert skill that allows them to cancel the barkskin but has a two round lag from doing so.

(The vulnerability would still apply here to both of these instances)

[crazyhorse]

I like that mostly.

I would say the straight AC barkskin should remain at the 40 hour length or whatever, since it really doesnt do much, but the specific elemental damage reduction skin should last like... i would say as long as aura. At 50 have it be like a 7-9 hour affect. having it last for 2-3 hours would make it pretty much worthless. Gnome ward lasts for a long time, and giant ward lasts for a very brief period, but that works out since you can muscle your way through most of the skills that weapon ward protects against as a giant.

In any case, based on the log on invokation, the specific skins are pretty overpowered. I had never seen one really used until that log though, so it isnt used very often...

[Davairus]

It was an unintentional oversight making the resistance of barkskin stack with all other resistances.

[Amdorin]

If you lose a fight to barkskin, that's a problem with your skill, period. (Yes I've seen the invokation log, but if you notice he won that fight despite the ranger's barkskin) I understand the concern with TT (the only reason barkskin is even being talked about) but beyond that you're just reaching.

So does that mean fire resist was stacking with unseen magic resistance Dav? I would agree that is too much, but just because rangers have a tool against an element damage doesn't mean it should go completely disregarded for the sake of a set. It should still resist, but not with the same effect of not having a vuln (in otherwords, have the resis and vuln cancel each other out). Yes that's advantageous to rangers over most using the set, but why else would rangers even have the barkskin type capability? It's an advantage (and was meant to be).

[crazyhorse]

Can anyone offer an unbiased opinion? I swear. Amdorin you sound exactly like bassball. I know you like rangers... Do you remember how when Res said not long ago about when the Imms were discussing taking down Necro's a few notches... He didnt offer his opinion because his opinion was completely biased, because he loves necros and liked pwning with them.

Jesus christ people, I know you like your classes but if you all stop being whiny bitches about your class being nerfed and actually FOCUSED ON BALANCE, then ALL classes would be fun to play. All classes would be sweet, and the entire game would be based on skill.


His fiery attacks went from decimates to grazes. How in the FUCK is that balanced? It was an unintentional stacking, so obviously its not going to be completely taken away. Just unstacked.

It was obviously over powered, and if you cant offer an unbiased opinion and/or cant stay focused on the hope for a game that is fantastically balanced, you can just stfu.


And no, I havnt fought a ranger recently, and I have argued for nerfs on the only class I am playing currently several times just recently.

Biased opinions are stupid and unhelpful.

[Davairus]

Vulns are intended to take precedence over resistances. The barkskin spell is a napkin-math styled pseudo-resistance, but that's only to assert that it should scale with level. The vuln should go through.

[Arishel]

That makes sense. Thanks for clearing that up. On to the next thing.

[Amdorin]

[Faelon]

Neutral characters do well because they are neutral. No protection against them. Instant access to a nice set of items. And if they don't want to fight, they really don't have to. Neutral is neutral, thats the reason why they aren't allowed to be super aggressive for the most part.

Now obviously cabals kind of nil some of this, but who is going to FORCE Arvar to fight alone? No one. He has a guard for that shit.

Who is going to FORCE Trogm to fight alone? Only a danger, but lets be realistic here. A ton of the player base is upset about Thews and the use of it on Neutral warrior arch types.

Ofcourse it's obvious that everyone is dumb and cannot take the beating they deserve, right? Its obvious that everyone else blows dogs for quarters EXCEPT the neutral warriors with Thews. Right?

[crazyhorse]

[Ergorion]

[crazyhorse]

Or something.

[Faelon]

[divsky]

I do have to agree that barkskin, as is right now, is a bit too powerful. Dav, you should just take a look at the code just to make sure something isn't fubar in there. I've been doing a lot of fighting a dkn with a ranger and I've noticed that ginko barkskin transforms fireballs from MANGLES through sanc to hits. That's not right.

[Slade]

Isn't that the whole point..? Switch to iceball. Then they are throwing away the free AC from the general purpose one for no benefit.

[Mandor]

maybe div was using TT which is supposed to have fire vuln, and getting hits through sanc means the vuln isn't working.

[divsky]

[Mandor]

well then it might be the bark in addition to a very low damage dealt by RNG, since fireball has such a wide damage range. I've seen oblits and mauls on the same target, so its not out of the question.