Combat Module

[Ozaru]

Ok so I am taking this to the forum because I just want to get a straight answer and not conjecture from every clone out there. Davairus when you get the chance could you please explain to me how a thief wielding one weapon can win out against a ranger wield two. From what I have been reading Resatimm and clifton are saying combat style is useless and dual wield won't hit as often as I think. Or luck is the main culprit.

[Dogran]

Let me put this in stupid terms since you obviously don't understand.

YOU HAVE TO HAVE WEAPON ADVANTAGE

You are caught off guard by Grommet's unusual maneuver.

HEY RETARD HE JUST UNCANNIED YOU AND RAKED YOUR WEAPON OH LOOK NO ATTACKS THIS ROUND>
Grommet's uncanny attack DISMEMBERS you!
A savage bolo dislodges your weapon!
Grommet rakes your weapon aside!
You parry Grommet's grep.
Your primary weapon has been raked aside!
Grommet dodges your pierce.
You gain control of your weapon.
A wild boar's wild charge hits Grommet.
A large black panther's claw mauls Grommet.
Grommet has quite a few wounds.

<800/935hp 715/728m 414/414mv 27152tnl segment defensive aggressive ocean>
Grommet's grep DISMEMBERS you!
You parry Grommet's grep.
Your slash misses Grommet.
Your pierce misses Grommet.
Your wild slash MASSACRES Grommet!
A wild boar's charge mauls Grommet.
A large black panther's wild claw hits Grommet.
Grommet has quite a few wounds.

<742/935hp 715/728m 414/414mv 27152tnl segment defensive aggressive ocean> yawn
You must be tired.
Grommet has quite a few wounds.

<742/935hp 715/728m 414/414mv 27152tnl segment defensive aggressive ocean>

HEY RETARD HE JUST UNCANNIED YOU AND RAKED YOUR WEAPON OH LOOK NO ATTACKS THIS ROUND>

You are caught off guard by Grommet's unusual maneuver.
Grommet's uncanny attack MASSACRES you!
A savage bolo dislodges your weapon!
Grommet rakes your weapon aside!
Grommet has quite a few wounds.

<672/935hp 715/728m 414/414mv 27152tnl segment defensive aggressive ocean>

HEY RETARD HE JUST UNCANNIED YOU AND RAKED YOUR WEAPON OH LOOK NO ATTACKS THIS ROUND>

Grommet's wild grep *** DEMOLISHES *** you!
You nimbly dodge Grommet's grep with a practiced maneuver.
Your primary weapon has been raked aside!
Grommet deftly performs a counterbalance evasion.
Grommet manages to dodge your pierce with a lot of effort.
You gain control of your weapon.
A wild boar's charge mauls Grommet.
Grommet deftly performs a counterbalance evasion.
Grommet has quite a few wounds.

<555/935hp 715/728m 414/414mv 27152tnl segment defensive aggressive ocean>
You dodge Grommet's grep.
Your slash misses Grommet.
Your pierce DISEMBOWELS Grommet!
You concentrate on your combat style to prevent Grommet from dodging.
Your slash MUTILATES Grommet!
A wild boar's charge wounds Grommet.
A large black panther's claw wounds Grommet.
The tip of a bucket of angry Fireswarm locusts glows brightly.
Grommet has some big nasty wounds and scratches.

<567/935hp 723/728m 414/414mv 27152tnl segment defensive aggressive ocean>

HEY RETARD HE JUST UNCANNIED YOU AND RAKED YOUR WEAPON OH LOOK NO ATTACKS THIS ROUND>

You are caught off guard by Grommet's unusual maneuver.
Grommet's uncanny attack DISMEMBERS you!
A savage bolo dislodges your weapon!
Grommet rakes your weapon aside!
Grommet has some big nasty wounds and scratches.

<502/935hp 723/728m 414/414mv 27152tnl segment defensive aggressive ocean>
Grommet's grep DISMEMBERS you!
Grommet's grep DISMEMBERS you!
Your primary weapon has been raked aside!
Your pierce maims Grommet!
Your primary weapon has been raked aside!
You gain control of your weapon.
Grommet deftly performs a counterbalance evasion.
Grommet has some big nasty wounds and scratches

DUH Retard, your weapon was raked basically the whole fight. You cant concentrate if your weapon is not pointing at your enemy!

[Ozaru]

I really don't understand why this kind of behavior is tolerated, it is unnecessary and unfounded. I also didn't ask for your opinion I wanted a straight answer out of Davarius if he even wants to give one that is up to him. For the very last time, please just try and understand this I have TWO WEAPONS he is raking my first weapon away I already explained that part but I have a second weapon that is not doing any attacks. Uncanny attack with one weapon only rakes the primary weapon of the person. Had he been using a two handed as I stated EARLIER he would disarm both and there would be no question to why he won. FOR THE LAST TIME why is my dual wielded weapon sitting idle it is not affected by his uncanny attack and I am in a combat advantage meaning my dual wielded weapon should kick in more right??? PLEASE NADRIN Clifton is already an emissary for whatever reason, trying to be just like him will not get you into their good graces.

[Tepesh]

Basically what he is trying to say is your second weapon attacks dont kick in if you get your prim weapon raked. I would do some tests but i dont have a ranger or a thief and a friend that has one or the other to test it on so just get over it already cause you are starting to sound like a broken record. no offence bro.

[Ozaru]

why would your primary weapon being raked away affect your dual wielded weapon?

[Dogran]

Resatimm already explained that. Your second weapon is the only one that did hit the whole fight, and it is not 100%. aside from that if your offhand alacrity is not mastered then it is not fully effected same thing with proficiencies with the weapon as well as dual wield.

[Ozaru]

If no one else gives a shit whether the combat modules are working fairly then fine Im done with this post. I figured most people would be interested, but wrong again.

[Dogran]

Weapon modules ARE working properly. It works as intended. Weapon advantage is a must. style advantage only helps.

[Ozaru]

WTF what does Offhand alacrity have to do with dual wielding?? Am I missing something? Reading the help file Offhand alacrity just allows you to switch your shield out without having to remove it first to dual wield.... What I understood from Res is that dual wielding is not very reliable if thats the case then so be it.

[Dogran]

Rangers have an extra special dual wield, offhand alacrity allows you to use your secondary weapon with full hit and damage, but I believe that you have to master it to get the full effect.

[Ozaru]

I don't know where you heard that but if you read help dual wield the difference is for rangers and ninjas their off hand attacks have enhanced damage no one else gets that.

[Dogran]

Hrm the helpfile appears to have changed. Although I cant remember if I read it in a helpfile or if I was told that by an imm. Im sure it will be clarified at some point.

[_Clifton_]

i guess if you don't get the right answer in 3 places, you should probably go post in 4..

you're really special!

[Ozaru]

lol i give up please just lock the threads about this I don't care anymore

[Vevier]

You weren't hitting with your primary weapon because it was raked.

You weren't hitting with your secondary weapon due to hitroll/good defenses on Grommet's part. If you look through the log, you can see where it failed to hit.

Offhand Alacrity has to do with switching weapons in combat, not offhand hitroll, IIRC.

[Ozaru]

thank you for answering my question as a knowledgeable person and not someone who is trying to be a complete ass.

[_Clifton_]

[Erlwith]

Edit: Let me rephrase. The best way to get information about this game is to A: USE THE SEARCH FEATURE/READ THE FORUMS. B: TEST YOURSELF. Otherwise I think you're just going to get frustrated.

[Davairus]

Don't take it personally if I dont reply..I'm just too fucking busy these days. But that said, you should be able to read a log yourself. Hissy fit on top of fail to read just makes you look bad.