How many times have you rolled a dk, and let it go inactive

[Fireballe2]

Poll relating to the fact that I consisently notice people cycling dks from 1 to 30's ranks and then they're never heard from again.

[Dogran]

I have had two that I let go inactive but not because of the class, rather my changing mind about what I wanted to play. You're not going to get anywhere with this poll btw, DK's are fine just the way they are, you just can't play them is all.

[Fireballe2]

[Ergorion]

[Fireballe2]

[Ergorion]

My advice to you about how to play a dark-knight better is to play other classes at 50. Learn their weaknesses by dying then use the tactics other players used against you.

Maledictive spells I feel have been the most underutilized dark-knight skills. People generally aren't going to wear mal saves against a dk because most n00bs go for the lightning bolt/fireball spam. With curse, plague, and poison, that's a nice set right there. Curse lowering accuracy by 6 hurts; poison reducing dexterity by something like 7 will almost certainly lower their accuracy even more.

Dk's in cabals get the added perk of restorer wands. You see invokers running around healing a shitton with them and they don't even output that much melee damage.

With dk's getting dirt kick, trip and bash, you can really capitalize on an aura dropping. Especially with unholy strength. This entire game, no matter what your class, is about picking your moments. Why is Valox so effective? Because he doesn't like to fight uphill battles. If the first couple rounds don't go your way, reset. Wait until you have the upper hand and finish your prey.

[Fireballe2]

that last line is most important in an RNG game, and I agree. However,

[Olyn]

Davairus said use the mals, but don't initiate with them.

do this:
murder noob
cast curse

not this:
cast curse noob

[Ergorion]

What Olyn said. You obviously don't even know how to use dk spells properly and you're still complaining about them.

[Fireballe2]

[Olyn]

From the log referenced earlier, which you obviously didn't read:

[Fireballe2]

yes, I read it.

when a round occurs for someone, the initiator gets a free round. When the next round occurs, both of you hit each other.

I have personal experience with this, as is proven by casting flame arrow on someone, you hit them, then the next round occurs.

If you cast a mal on them, you hit or miss, and the next round occurs altogether.

like this

[Olyn]

Wrong, because Ray doesn't have two attacks.

[Davairus]

5? I think its 7 for dual wield. Oh wait you said third attack only.

Fireballer, make sure you are taking into account the timing of the round. It will occur every 3 seconds no matter what. That means it can occur at the same time as you murder. This makes classes with stronger autoattacks potentially extremely bursty. For example a warrior can murder someone and straight up do 14 attacks on them right away. That's like, 1000 damage in one go, before dodge/parry etc. Might be so unlikely that you personally never saw it, but it definitely happens to people. Its what makes full red dragon/hell-blade etc such a big problem in low levels. The damage is high but the max hp is low, so you don't need a stars-aligning event to obliterate someone. You just need a bit of luck and them to have no sanc.

Frankly I'm surprised more people don't notice it. There's really nothing I can do about that other than give people who get attacked the first chance to retaliate, but they'd still eat two rounds.. a player that could hit those consistently would rape the whole playerbase including me.

Hmm, actually I thought of a fix, but I'll leave it be since its been like that 10 years.

[Fireballe2]

Well thats pretty much my opinion. Classes with more autoattacks that benefit from just gathering EQ are naturally strong, and a good RNG makes them pwn. Classes that are naturally less strong require the RNG to go your way, both offensively and for classes with fourth attack to be given poor RNG performance, in order to be competitive. I have always suspected this as the reason for the steamrolling niche warrior types give other classes.

give classes with dual parry and fourth attack later ranks to learn those, and it'll downgrade their early rank power without harming the class overall.

Id point out that this is the reason for the pip type playstyle with shaman or healers. If you fail a mal, bail and reset.

[Ergorion]

[Fireballe2]

you DO understand that "best pker in the game" comes qualified with "if fail to get RNG to go your way and get a mal off first try, run far away, heal up, and repeat infinite times until you get lucky".

I made that clear. He's "the best" because he stacks the odds in his favor by doing this. I was making the point that classes and/or races with much more fragility in defense and hp are prone to get owned by beef classes and races that get good RNGs, and only even out fights by abusing RNG for all its worth with pip-style play.

In essence, anyone who attacks and then runs off if the first few rounds of RNG dont OVERWHELMINGLY favor them are playing pip-style. I used to do that with an uncaballed ill-ill and on logboards comments were made like "with this guy, he's pretty much fleeing all the time unless he's completely dominating". back in 2005 it was. I know how to play that game.


Like Dav pointed out, if someone gets a good RNG with a warrior, especially at lower ranks, that's a ton of damage dished out for a class that's relatively easy to prep. Why do you think people pick fighter classes 95% of the time? Low prep time, rock and roll mode class, solo ranking is easy, and all it takes is one good initiate. No casting class can dump a torrent of damage by RNG swinging their way. 7 dismembers is more damage then one oblit.

I don't really think Im explaining anything new or foreign to anyone. This stuff is the major reason for dirt kick faceplants, word blind headsmacks, and hobble or skills that provide huge damage AND lag an opponent in a single shot. To force confrontations to end in more deaths rather than just rinse/repeat.

Thanks for the condescension and general bitterness/nonconstructiveness in your posts, though.

[Ergorion]

[Fireballe2]

you're talking about at 50. Good on you to basically disregard this entire discussion.