Plague, poison, steal, and pry.

[GodOfWar]

Not true. It is all to easy to avoid being blackjacked. And since I've spouted off on it all kindsa times in other threads. I'm not even gonna start here.

C'mon people...it's so damn easy....

[divsky]

Uh. Never be in the same room as another thief?

[GodOfWar]

No damnit...try to stay out of their territory when they are in your pk range. Take them out of their element and they lose their advantage. Make them come to you.

When you take a thief out of his element(TOWN), it makes him vulnerable and puts you on more even terms. You're still in the mentality that YOU own the cities not the THIEF... You are WRONG. Dark alleyways and densly populated urban areas are to be avoided in LIFE and in MUD when one has valuables. Think about it, would you go strolling through compton with a brand new shiny ass rolex? FUCK NO! You'd make the little hood rat try and jack you in YOUR hood that way YOU had the advantage. You would NEVER try to take it to his ass on his turf. You would get your ass handed to you.

<--Blackjacks himself to make the hurting stop.

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You know the only REAL way to keep from getting blackjacked??


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[Addreodyn]

Staying out of town doesn't protect you from blackjack. A thief blackjacks just a well outside of town. If they're good, you still won't see it coming. Even if you sneak up on them it's usually:
You attack thief! Thief has fled! Thief walks in. A sudden pain erupts in your skull.
However, staying out of town is a good way to prevent this 'rambo thief' because the thief has to run a lot farther if he's in trouble and needs to hide (thus, more opportunities to be caught).
Quite frankly, I'd rather fight the 'rambo thieves' because even if I lose items, at least I'm involved in it. Blackjack isn't fun because it stops you from playing the game for a few minutes, and you probably lose some eq in the process.

[Oldtimer]

These changes are both good and bad. Plague and poison are finally doing what they are meant to do. I totally agree with that change. Not being able to pry off of someone who was standing right there is fine, most of the time in real life you don't hear of that unless intimidated in some way, which I think would be a good skill for a thief to have... Kind of like dark knights extortion (I believe is the skill's name)... However not being able to steal from someone when they are awake is not even close to how it should be designed. Stealing/pickpocketing is something done in everyday life while awake or asleep, this action should continue to happen in that manor and it angers me that it has changed with pry. It shouldn't have even been considered as a change and is a huge step in the wrong direction while roll playing or even doing anything with a thief.

[Talisman]

I understand the problem with steal and I think the changes will solve it.
That being said, I've always enjoyed stealing from people without them realizing they've been robbed. Instead of whining, I'd like to propose a second solution to the problem with steal.
Why not make it so that if you fail to steal from someone, they will be alert and suspicious of you for x ticks? If you try to steal from them while they are awake before the x ticks are up, you will get a message like "they are too suspicious of you right now". Alternatively, you could just make the thief fail the steal without an informative message, forcing him to estimate when he can try again. Of course, being suspicious won't save someone if they are asleep. This should stop people from continually stealing until they succeed while still allowing thieves to have a pleasent conversation with the previous owner of their newest aquisition.

[Viggs]

Ok after playing with it heres the Stumps opoinioon btw of course Im baked

only being able to steal while hidden is fine , not that big of a deal
prying while someone is awake Ummm ok dont laugh but untill it came up I didnt even know about it ,never tried it. think i heard something about it along time ago. So to me these changes dont affect how Viggs plays anyway ,I almost always lump then steal and or pry then I die ,so nothing changes for me ,

best news out of all of this is Thiefs are getting something,,You know we get two skills at 30 one at 35 one at 40 ,one at 45 or something like that ,Hell we dont even get a level 50 skill
Only in the best hands can a thief PK at level 50 anyway i thinks
Not to steal an idea from F'ing Lands but disquise there for thieves is kinda neat sneak into others guilds

Ok ,time to get killed

and oh yea hey ,,where we do our avatars now?

[divsky]

An idea for pry: Allow pry to be used on standing opponents, but if they're awake, cause a pry to cause the victim to attack whether or not the pry is successful.

After all, it's plenty easy for a thief to steal the hat off your head, pry a dagger out of your hands, or in a more real-to-life example, grab a purse out of your hands. But no matter what, you're definatly going to notice it.

[GodOfWar]

These are all actually really good suggestions and I'd like to see if perhaps a balance could be reached between our current state of steal/pry and all these proposed edits.

On the other hand, with the changes to thieves coming pretty soon, I think everyone's probably gonna forget about the old steal/pry changes and start having fun with the new skills cuz it from what it looks like, thieves are gonna be turning into a slightly more viable combat class while keeping all their base jacking skills intact.

Anyway, that's my $2.50 cents, anyone got change?

[Burzuk]

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