Latest batch of cabal changes

[Davairus]

Its the sort of thing you'd do before you delete, so, yeah I don't think that's allowed.

[Davairus]

[Davor]

[Burzuk]

Mob confiscated items don't go to anyone. So surrendering to the Executioner is actually a better way to spite Justices if you want to make sure Justice members don't "profit" from your wanted flag.

Who removes one's wanted flags upon death? The Gods of Order, of whom Stryth himself as founder of Justice was their chief. Pretending to submit yourself to judgement when not really doing so (by divesting yourself of wares beforehand) gets you in trouble with GODS, not Justices. It's blasphemous to say to Stryth & Company, "here, judge me and confiscate what you see fit... except you can't confiscate my items since I gave them away or dropped them somewhere! ha!" Unloading eq to your cabalmates while wanted is just asking for trouble from any higher-up gods who are watching.

Lastly, getting wanted is entirely VOLUNTARY. Nobody forces anyone to initiate attacks in town, or to leave autoassist on in town, or to capture the Justice item, etc. Unlike Legions and Knights (whose flags can sometimes be drawn in ways that are not entirely your own fault), Justice wanted flags are very clearly provoked and very easily avoided. So on the flip side, the punishments should have real teeth, and that means facing confiscation.

[Davairus]

As far as cabal warfare goes, I'm pretty comfortable with what we have now, so - barring an emergency - I don't intend to expend any more energy on coming up with any more ideas for it. Which means.. its over to you guys... have fun.

http://abandonedrealms.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=22

[Davairus]

These changes were discussed and added recently, just for record's sake here we go...

General

1) henchman average'd between levels instead of always being max level for 50
2) henchman works out-of-pk ONLY (so uncaballeds can raid easier)
3) enlist mobs made better, having started out too weak

Legion

1) protection duration down to 1 week (Legion wants more money!)
2) contract prices slashed for uncaballed char
3) can no longer "spam vendetta" to force a contract
4) uncaballed vendettas are now contracts
5) uncaballed vendetta becomes contract for raiding Legion (clean up outstanding vendettas via old method)

The reason vendetta is a contract a bit easier for uncaballed is a tradeoff for no longer having to deal with underlings to raid & pk legions.

Knight

1) Noble pacifist rp restriction is removed, as is anathema protection. (Dont ask me where this leaves nobles now, they just wanted it this way for the Legion war)
2) Death should remove you from roll sheet so you dont get pk'd six times for being anathema due to p.e. number 1. However if you kill again you will be put back in your old position.
3) auto-anathema for uncaballed knight cabal raids.

...there isn't any other new stuff because Groq's happy with the oath-breaking/anathema setup.

Justices apparently, are completely content.

[Vertas]

Is there a command to get enlisted troops to attack? So far they just stand there and watch me get ganked.

[Davairus]

Nope, they police themselves. All you're responsible for is leading the "army". If it isn't doing what it should be, you'll have to give me more details.


Also since I started a post I guess I'll write a little more. Was working on the Knight helpfile this morning to describe what they do now they have oaths to force instead of just acting with some remnant of self-control like they used to. And it seemed like a good time to shake things up a little bit for Groq, who's been struggling with some stuff.

Two issues with knights are:-
* backlog of applicants
* can't induct healers

So here's what I did...

1) I added a caveat that people have to stay at 30 until squired. This way they can join the keepers sitting around, and duel each other or whatever. It'd help the imms to see who's got some skill to have some fights in the duelling-to-stun zone (where it won't be ganked by "pk limit"), without having them embark straight out on a pk career. So I think it should be a good change, especially for noobs, who'll meet the neut fighters first, and then the Legion apps waiting to chew them up much later, after they finally squire.

There's quite a few obtainable sets at 30, but training is still pretty damn hard, so that could prove somewhat interesting.

Summary of TLDR: Use your bored trained keeper app to duel the new bored level 30 knight apps.

2) The other is that I removed class restrictions, and just made them "no lawfuls". Removed class restrictions means, any non-lawful Valourian is eligible to join Knight and bring his unique skills along. As long as the Executor is willing to give them a shot. There's actually even more opportunities this way - elf thieves, storm healers, whatever. Hopefully that'll make up for the guys who can't be bothered sitting at 30 for knight squiring. I do encourage executors to decide what they think is acceptable.

About healer Knights: I wanted to just remove healer Knights for a while, because it was too cheesy with the overpowered dispel evil. Then I held out afterward because we had some Knight plans down the road. The trouble with "down the road" is that I have no idea when that is, and existing cabals just arent the kinda thing where "its down the road" is acceptable, frankly. So yeah, there's still a few issues. But there's issues with shamans flooding other cabals, and I'm going to leave it to the nerfinator to deal with those guys when he's good and ready. In the meantime, hopefully you'll enjoy your cabal experience more now with some proper support, instead of being hung out to dry.

[Mr. Forgotten]

THANK YOU, DAv!!!

[Elaedon]

That's gonna be interesting...illusionists, thieves, and healers are now added. Veeeeeery interesting.

[Davairus]

Couple small quick things.. well small and quick to do anyway.. what I've done is pretty much some things to alleviate the dominance of the cabal flags a bit. I've been concerned that uncaballed pker isn't viable enough, and I have a couple of measures in mind:


1/3/07: "Contract" change - if you are contracted, and you manage to kill a Legion, it will now remove the contract. This is to give Legion a strong incentive to get rid of duff Legion, instead of milking them for free vendetta contracts. They'll still be able to retaliate with a vendetta if they do die of course.

Now, there's advantages and disadvantages here - basically, I don't want contracts to have this "definitely going to get owned by an organisation" feeling as much. Its kinda discouraging. The way I see it, the Legion should dispatch an assassin (well, a Legionnaire) to take care of the contract, and if you kill him, that's the end of that story. I was thinking of just letting you pay them off, but then you'd just quit out and farm gold, so here, kill one of Legion's finest, and you're downgraded to a vendetta.

1/3/07: "Roll sheet" change - if you're a non-anathema on the roll sheet, and you die, you will now be removed COMPLETELY. This also applies to the p.e. number #1.

Self-explanatory. Roll sheet has changed so often by now that I'd expect nobodys been able to follow how it works. I'll get a helpfile together later...


Mainly its just to reduce cabal skills seen so much.. cause hey, game's supposed to be played and most balanced at 50, and cabal powers intrude on that.


I'm still pondering on the whole raid/confine/etc mechanic, will get back to that later down the road, feeling fairly satisfied with that much.

[_Clifton_]

Isn't PE #1 autoanathema?

[Davairus]

This is how roll sheet works:

Boosts
* if you kill a Knight you enter the roll sheet
* if you become anathama you enter the roll sheet
* if you kill more Knights, you climb the roll sheet
* if you killed the most Knights (#1 spot) you "become" seen as anathema, but its an anathema picked from the list, not placed on your character directly. It has to be that way incase you get knocked off by someone else.

Drains
* If you are anathema and die, you would disappear from the sheet, but your "position" is saved. p.e. number #1-caused anathema doesn't count for that. Arguably a bit unfair, but the same can be said about being made a free anathema. This is to balance that out.
* If you aren't an anthema, and die, your record on the roll sheet is wiped.

The point of "position" is to prioritise Knight's targets. They dont necessarily have to stay in pos #1 til theyve been killed 27 times..

[_Clifton_]

But the only way to become an anathema is to take the oath and then break it. So if you aren't taking it the only way to become anathema is PE#1. That means, just go die somewhere to get off the list and start at ground 0.

That seems to be how this works as far as I understand it.

[Davairus]

No.. uncaballed get anathema for raiding Knights..

[Vertas]

--EDITED--- This post contained explict top secret information thats top secret.

[Dahlin]

---EDIT--- Oops?

[Davairus]

I swear.. I need to put post approval on this shit so you guys won't go do something dumb like that.

[Vertas]

Sorry...I swear I wasn't completely me at the time...I got dropped from all my classes because i didn't pay my tuition on time and i was just screwing around to make me feel better...Truce?

[Smotpoker]

ban him for a day!!!!