Quests

[Slade]

It bothers me that newbies, as people who do not know where to safely quest, are put at a disadvantage in that they have to spend far more time mastering skills than the more experienced players. It would seem that experienced players already have a huge reward for all the time they have put into the game, that being their knowledge of the system and better game skills which will allow them to be both more efficient at PvM (ranking, items, etc) AND PK'ing by far.

I was playing around with a new class (I am pretty new here) and a level 10 fighter type asked to group. I said yes, noticed his quest line which seemed to say he had done a lot. I asked him about it and he said he had 67 quests. So obviously being a newbie I'm stunned, not just as the number of quests but the level he did them all at. Then later on he mentions how his defenses and so on are already maxed. Well of course they are, skills must be a breeze with so many quests?

So.. as someone who knows like 7 quests, I decide I need to explore all over the game world and find as many quests as I can. Conveniently enough, I have a level 16-19 avian ninja (flight, vanish, lesser recalls), and use it to spend half a day going to every spot on the map where I'm not instantly killed, and searching every room as best I can to try to find quests. After hours and hours and hours of tedious searching, and hitting every room in the world to the best of my abillity, I end up with what in my opinion is a pretty impressive 43 total quests.

Obviously this tedious as hell exercise betters my world knowledge, but what other reason is there to keep this quests for skills approach? It only serves as another frustrating obstacle for newbies to overcome (if they are even aware of it at all, as if they arent there is a hidden penalty for newbies trying to train skills, in addition to simply what being a newbie means for how good they are in the game, which is really what is important), not to mention a big hassle for people in the know to hit all the quests with their new characters. Why, just.. why? Isn't there some other kind of reward people can have that isn't directly tied to game performance (skill gain)? Maybe some type of status symbol or something?

[Avendin]

Quests do not affect skill% increases as much any more. Their effect on training was greatly reduced in .... *drumroll* .... an attempt to be more newbie friendly!

[Vertas]

[Davairus]

Well some past implementor decided to tie quest amount in with skill improvement rate. He made the potential of this rate really good. There is also a reputation system, which he implemented, but the heralds are reluctant to give out because it gives characters damroll and luck and such. Before these problems, there were tattoos, but they would do stuff like +2 strength, huge luck boosts, etc.

So far, I managed to get around to making the rate of skill increase due to quest amounts very poor, although its not gone completely. I don't think I'm going to post the formulas here, but I will say that quantatively having all quests is maybe similar to the effect of having an extra point of int. Considering the time it takes to do all those quests, it will easily work out better to spend that time on pure training for defences and couple weapons, but if you're going to spam all skills to 100, you know, go quest first, and shave a few days off your 6 months spamming.

All 3 systems I mentioned (quest, reps, tattoo) are going to get a bit of overhaul and rest assured there's not going to be any benefits other than cosmetic ones in those. Of course the eternal question is "when?"

[Clifton]

[Flying Hampster of Doom]

I have been playin ar for some time now and I can assure you I figured out almost all (almost) the quests I know on my own. As a newbie I know it can be difficult seeing some one as a master explorer, yet I know that it is possible to figure out most of the quests on your own if you listen to the mobs, read room descriptions and pay attention to your surroundings.

[Sebryn]

Uhm... Clif, you sure you don't mean 'Reputations'?

I sure as hell haven't seen myself or anybody else able to give out tats...

[Slade]

[Dhampiri]

Whats the point of having quests in the game at all if they don't help you any besides when someone looks at you and knows you know the quests...which its not like its a well kept secret what the quests are, find them once and every character you've ever had knows where they are. Sure they help you a little, but who wants to waste their time? Role players? Yeah...right. What's the point of them honestly? To look pretty?

[Sebryn]

One possible advantage of them might be to allow first-time players of AR to explore quite a large variety of areas while they're learning where to go.

Think about all of the areas that quests cover... with a few exceptions, most of them are for people in the lower ranks... you can easily gain 70-80+ of them while still under rank 10 if you're careful and know where to go.

Just a thought.

[Viggs]

ahhhhh Damn stinking Dwarf! hehehe ,,,That freaking Counter HURT!!!!! had to run away and heal up and you know how much I hate to flee ,,,,,On the topic that is GREAT To know the quests dont matter as much now I wont waste my time finding more ..THough i do want the title after a Fair amount of traveling ,im at 59 hoping 60 is something different
One question though
Does the increase in traininin happen with every Quest or just when you get a new title of questor? know what I mean? things Ive wondered

[Resatimm]

Heralds were never 'banned' from giving reputations. If memory serves, they were told to make sure it was BALANCED and there was a DAMNED GOOD REASON for people getting it. Last year, when every Knight had at least 2 reputations, and no one else did, that was pretty stupid. It has to be spread around, and not just on your OOC buddy, or same alignment.

If I recall, I found about 15 reputations among 4 knights all from Kalerin, so BLAME HIM!

Res

[Avendin]

It was more like 6 or 7 among the top players in the cabals. Besides, after I realized they were hugely overpowered, I set up a system for them: if a Herald saw an action worth noting, they would report in a note to the cabal, and after x number of corresponding actions, reputation is put forward for that person and discussed, with the reputation pending on that discussion.

[Clifton]

Shit man, my understanding was, immies give out reps to mortals as reward for multi-bust. and some other funky shit that we couldn't do or else we'd get hollered at, but hey, if we can, all the more power to us. 100k a rep sounds good. They're always hounding us to make more money anyways.

[Sebryn]

Think about the definition of the word first...

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=reputation

[Davairus]

[Dhampiri]

[Rezakhan]

So roleplay a quest, you tard. Make a healer and do only the quests that involve helping someone, or make a dark knight and only do quests that involve hurting someone. Just because most people do all of them just for the hell of it doesnt mean you have to.

[Ashtes Mindstorm]

[Seryie]

you can't expect to know everything about the game, and I know your description is very whacky, and yes I did call you stupid.If you don't know where the quests are go exploring and check questor often and when one comes up you'll know generally the area you got it in so you can get it next time..