Average and damroll

[bassball]

Is it better to use a weapon with an average of 10 or a weapon with an average of 7 but adds 3 dam?

What is the difference between those two weapons?

[Erlwith]

I'm not sure of the formulas and so forth, but the damroll weapon in theory would be better because it raises all of your physical damage. (Sideswipe, overhead, etc.)

[Davairus]

[Grayden]

That was an excellent question, but knowing the answer is like people telling you how a magic trick works.(that will forever ruin the magic trick) More world secrets and workings ruined by Davairus, but we still love you.

Grayden Grim of the Bloody Fields of Flesh

[Davairus]

It says it in the helpfiles so what am I supposed to say?

[Soldier]

The hitroll and damroll come into affect for skills mainly and it just the average damage thats the key point. If you got some weapon with 30 avg damage and no hitroll or damroll fucking rights its better than a weapon with 14 avg damage with 4 hit and dam.

[Mandor]

[Davairus]

Numbers are actually off, but they should illustrate that enhanced helps your weapon average (your base damage before damroll) along, which is detailed in its helpfile:

[Grayden]

I think you missed the point soldier, but I think I have a grasp on this. If you are a mage or whatever dose not get enhanced damage then yes somthing with an average of 14 with dam +3 would be better then somthing with an average of 15. On the other hand if you have enhanced damge then you are better with the ave 15 over the 14 with dam 3, because enhanced damage is going to add in damage Please correct me if I am wrong Dav.

Grayden Grim of the Bloody Fields of Flesh

[crazyhorse]

You're wrong.

The math (this isnt accurate according to dav number wise, but its the same math for both so the numbers shouldnt matter)

ave 15 w/ enhanced damage = 15 + 7 1/2 (according to davs numbers) = 22 1/2

ave 14 with 3 dam = 14 + 7 + 3 = 24.

The ave 14 is going to be better.

[Soldier]

Grayden got the point I was getting at one more and he gets a cookie.

[Grayden]

Ok, so we assume that enhanced damage is half of the average (probably incorrect). An average 12 plus 4 (12+6+4 or 12+4) damage weapon (common) is better then an average 15 (15+7 or 15) weapon for anyone, but average 16 (16+ would be the same damage for only those with enhanced damage. Magic # 24. Enhanced damage can not be half of the average. That would mean that two handed weapons (double enhanced damage) would actually make the weapon twice the average. I know my black iron halberd is not doing >44 damage. So what you really need to know is how much enhanced damage adds. My brain hurts, and I am usually good at math.

Grayden Grim of the lost conscious

[trance_monkey]

I'm curious about the math here... Assuming enhanced damage is basically +50% damage?

A 6d3 = (6+12+18 )/3 = 12 ave
A 6d3 +3 Damroll = (9+15+21)/3 = 15 ave
A 6d3 with Enhanced Damage only = (9+18+27)/3 = 18 ave

A 6d4 = (6+12+18+24)/4 = 15 ave
A 6d4 with Enhanced Damage only = (9+18+27+36)/4 = 22.5 ave

So... a 6d4 (15 ave) with enhanced is far better than a 6d3 + 3Dam (12 ave + 3)? And a 6d3 with no damroll but having enhanced damage is still better than not having enhanced?