Looking for some pk-related ideas.

[Davairus]

Yes, but at a time like that, you might want to fall back on energy scrolls, and you will argue on the forums that scrolls should not require mana because all you have to do is read. I have mixed feelings about scrolls generally requiring mana to use, because this solution is only even being considered due to one single scroll in game. In fact with cabal supplies, especially, the point with the staves of having the group sanc stave was so that pallies in cabals can sanc their group quickly and without blowing valuable mana on that task. So there's no way that can be done for staves. Presumably scrolls has some relation to that. Will it fix cleric medic whoring? Possibly. But then there are other classes, where mana is a premium, paying gold for those cure scrolls (e.g. dark-knight) . Mages tend to need their mana too. I know you might think it surprising that they have 1000+ mana and run out, but they do that. I would much rather (and the more I've thought about this, the more I wanted to) just give cleric scroll-use an increased fail-rate penalty, maybe rogue too, but mage/dkn don't need one. The point of the medic scroll was to help those players in cabals to run-and-gun. Perhaps the cooldown could be a couple ticks longer. Anyway, thank you for trying, but that isn't the right solution.

[Dispater]

[Davairus]

I've dicked around with movement speed before on the testport so I have seen the impact it has in game to move faster (or slower) than your opponent. So I would not like to be coupling it with weight burdening . But there are a few other ways it can be interesting to toy with.

[Ergorion]

So I was just randomly thinking when I came up with this thought.

Fly pots duration should be dependent upon the weight/race of the quaffer.

I think this would really only apply to the potions rather than the scrolls on account of my "logic" to follow. There is a certain amount of gooey potion gel and has a certain amount of strength. It probably would take more gooey potion to keep a fire giant in the air for ten hours than it would to keep a gnome in the air for ten hours. Therefore, I think lighter/smaller races should have a longer duration on their flight pots.

[Vertas]

I like the attacking sleeping players for extra damage bit, what if there was an initial lag (kind of like overhead strike) used against sleeping opponents ie... You raise a jagged sword to Resatimms throat as he sleeps. *One round lag*
You're slash <<<ANNIHILATES>>> Resatimm.
Resatimm wakes and stands up...

Obviously not that much damage and not to Resatimm... but more kind of like an aimed blow, maybe a special command for it...


As far as movement cost increased while encumbered, I like it and it makes sense but that would in the end punish dark knights and pallys the most since they'll want heavier armors for holy armor etc. What I could see happening if this were implemented is those who played those classes would first complain about it then those two classes would never be played.



I can't really come up with new ideas for pk strategy, there seems to be an ongoing issue with gangbangs, the only solution I can come up with is give bonuses somehow to people fighting multiple people at once. As far as things I would like to see in the game goes, I would like to see the "raid areas" more like dungeons in other games ie there are traps here, in order to progress past this room you need to find a hidden lever or successfully answer a riddle or question about Thera's history....

You have a well written history/story for Thera, but there are no bonuses for knowing it aside from letting people know you've been playing the game for a while. It seems like all this time and energy was spent on writing it but then we all just ignore it. I'm going to bring up wow for a second. Blah blah blah alliance area, all this plot regarding defias whatever, and its actually decent, but then it just turns into kill these mobs, collect these items... I kind of feel like when ranking we're just killing random mobs to gain levels, there's nothing like Fire giant militia's trying to hold of the vile horde of... brownies in Emerald. We're just killing stuff and its pointless (with the exception of ranking). Maybe I've put too much thought into this however. Yes this is a pk mud, but its rp too, and there should be a reason to rp aside from "because dav says so"...

[gomer]

Dying at one's temple... the whole I am probably gonna die so I will run to my temple so I wont lose my gear or I will only fight at my temple just in case...

Basically if you die in front of your priest then your corpse should be destroyed and your gear spread across the world. If you die in the vacinity of your temple you should be penalized by a lag;

die within 1 room - 10 second lag
die within 5 rooms - xxx second lag

This should allow people who successfully PK to be rewarded by being able to loot their victim. And also keep people from hording gear as much.

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On the movement issue.

For victims of pk attacks, if they run immediately (flee) and not stay a few rounds to see what they can do or re-engage, they could gain a passive skill similar to the bard skill brawl and basically knock stuff over behind them as they run in an attempt to slow their attacker and get away or at least regroup and prepare.

The things they knock over would at least increase movement cost through rooms with debris and in rare cases cause an injury 'sprained ankle' or whatever, basically a hobble or a duration of movement penalty similar to sneak without actually sneaking.

^^ would help new players out

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movement again

when ever people screw up and ee or run a direction they cant go, instead of just seeing 'tries to run to fast and stumbles' they could fall and hit their head, similar to fleeing while dirted.

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Movement again

To somewhat even out the effectiveness of flying potions or spells.

Initiating with 'Murder' or 'Kill' commands would suffer a lag PRIOR to the attack if under the effects of flying, reasoning is they are flying they have to get to their victim. Opening with 'Charge' or a spell wouldnt suffer from a lag.

Flying through a wooded areas or indoors could possible negate the effect of flying due to hitting ceiling or trees. By negate I mean normal non-flying movement cost not dispeling the spell.

Making flying a double edge sword.

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'Scent of Blood' for the aggressors - if you get your victim to pretty hurt or awful condition, your 'senses' improve and your movement cost decrease or you possibly attempt to prevent them from fleeing... warrior class could simply move infront of them, casters could use a spell to block an exit (something passive added to spells not a new confinement type spell) or someone with pets could have their pets block exits, all these would be a % of success and fail.

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I have more if I can figure out how to expain them.

[wudst]

Someone who runs to their temple in a last ditch effort to save their stuff is a noobie. they are saying "I dont know how to run from this guy, and I dont want to lose all my stuff..." Assisting a decent tracker to full loot or loot really at all a newer player is in my mind, not a good idea. This argument is of course assuming that someone who runs to their temple to die is a noob... When in actuality it probably is abused every once in awhile by a player of good standing. However, this will hurt more noobs than it will help against lame better players.

Running immediately and having things thrown in the way of their attacker is beefing up an already good plan. I very rarely get attacked unexpectedly and immediately engage again. I give myself time to prep, get out weapons usually, put up spells, pull out purples, set alias'. There is no need to beef up an already good tactic.

people pressing ee and falling over - I like this. It would force players to know the map better, and in turn would help in the skill level of the whole player base. I personally have gotten quite lazy in the last year or so, not memorizing the newer areas. Some areas still take me two times longer to run through then they should, and that would be fixed immediately if it made it take four times as long. I can see a big issue with fleeing blind however. You are already pretty fucked. Saying you cant mess up in your attempts to run around is asking alot out of someone. That would make blindness the best skill ever. So I think I revoke my stamp of approval.

Flying scrolls dont need to be even'd out in my opinion. It already is a partial issue for those who really really can abuse it, and thats warriors. (potions of course.)

'scent of blood' - Hell no. I can see it. Gang of three tries to nail someone, 1 round them to pretty hurt. Lets help them keep the kill by having three attempts to prevent fleeing (and cause some sort of flee lag one can only assume). I like the idea for a specific class (probably warrior side) that needs a bit of a beefing, but certainly not a mass change for every class. That would be silly.

[rabidgecko]

I really really don't see why everyone is complaining about gangbanging, and suggesting skills that even up 1v2 or 1v3 fights. That's part of the game... if you don't have allies, then you've made your choices in such a way that it ended up like that. Uncaballed can easily run away from groups, and caballed characters knew that when they signed up for it. Bottom line - 1 guy vs 2 guys should always be a very tough, if not impossible, fight.

[gomer]

an anti-gangbanging measure

anyone affected by pk adrenaline can not have followers or follow others for an extended period of time.

'xxxx movements are too eradic for you to keep up' for people trying to follow you.

you could still group and rank but each player would have to move, stalk or run on their own.

this would basically break up the duos or trios of a good stalker leading with putz's in tow spamming murder and force everyone to learn the areas. it would also break up the out of pk assistance if people still do that and deter the lowbie vultures.

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change corpse looting so that only people in your PK range can loot your corpse. that way their would be consequences for looting

[wudst]

Gecko. Lets say someone fucked up assassinate, and it was a 100% no fail skill.

You are going to complain? Its part of the game!!

Saying its part of the game is exactly how the catholic church has been holding back the entire world for so long. People who use excuses like that should probably just go die.

Provide a VALID reason, if you please.

I say that some measure for killing the gangbanging should be taken. Cabals have cabal chat, so they have a "we are seperated but need to still kill a different group of people" tool. People who arent in cabals shouldnt have the tool since they shouldnt be ganging, and if they try should be influenced negatively. I dont think ganging should be against the code. I think it shouldnt be a 1v2 fight, and you give the other team 2 players AND you give them say... Pips tracking and my spamming the shit. You give pip, a fantastic tracker, an automatic attack function just because they are grouped together. We are not just multiplying the people you have to fight, we are exponentially increasing their abilities and skills. I like ganging. I like fighting a set of people. I think right now its pretty stacked however. More than it naturally comes to be.

I disagree with the concept of seperating the group with pk adren. I think 50 only due to ranking issues. Someone comes in, attacks the tank, gets shafted, other players have to wait 10 mins for adren to go away = gay. Im pretty sure looting is pk adren too... Also lame.

[rabidgecko]

I'm saying that one guy shouldn't be able to beat 2 guys very easily. The game would suck without gangbangs.

[Erlwith]

[wudst]

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Erlwith, I assume you are a at least a fairly decent player. Someone who sucks wouldnt be as avid that his opinions are accurate.

If this is the case one would also assume that you have joined a cabal.

Every cabal is based around two things.

1) Cabal item (which influences ganging on a negative end of the cabal who is lacking their item)

2) Cabal code/morals. This DEMANDS ganging from three of the "elite" organizations in the mud.

Ganging is in the code, sir, and if you dont like it I suggest you find another mud. I think its pretty clear that Dav likes the aspect of ganging but wants it in a more... skilled style.

Being completely tight on your perspective of "gangings bad blah blah blah" is not helping anyone think about anything, nor is it influencing your reputation as anything but being a whiney bitch.

The idea is we make it good to gang bang. We make it on our terms. We make it fit our mud. Right now, I dont think it does. I suggest you begin thinking with the rest of us how to fix that, rather than being so stringent with your views.

[Erlwith]

[Vertas]

Nofollow with pk adrenaline wouldn't work, example. You're in a group with a wild smash happy berserker, mob dies, berserker accidentally smashes you. You both get pk adrenaline, so now not only are you unable to use repulsion/restoration potions, but you can't group until pk adrenaline goes away.


A lot of the implemented and proposed changes seem to be for the purpose of forcing people to have quicker battles. No more of this skirmish, shit I'm losing, retreat, attack, losing... Retreat... Bullshit which I am probably the most guilty of. One of two things are gonna happen here. People are going to complain and dav will tell them to suck it up, and they either will and get better, or quit. So Gangbangs are a fact of mud as much as they are a fact of life... Lol...

[gomer]

I didnt say you couldnt group, just that you couldnt follow or have someone follow you if you had pk adrenaline.

Meaning the 'tank' in a group has pk adrenaline, you can still group with him but when he goes east you have to manually type east to keep up with him, he wouldnt drag you along with him.

In a group PK situation, everyone would need to learn to track and the areas to keep up with the fight, the whole I will track him down you just spam murder to catch him thing is kinda retarded unless everyone is sharing a mount or the tracker is carrying people on his back.

[wudst]

And again, I suggested a 50 only imp for the breaking up the group.

Sure there will be those times where it screws with a winter group or something, but I think it would be worth the lame to break up the leading 3 people around thing.

Erlwith. If someone is wanted and there are three justices on... What do the justices do?

If another cabal has your item, you invade, and there are three of them on... What does the other cabal do?

If you are an Anathema, and there are three Knights on... What do the Knights do?

In the code bub.

And I really cant believe you are irritated with the people dying when they TRY to gang. Who complains about people being idiots and killing themselves? Not I.

[Dispater]

[Erlwith]

All the ping in the world won't make you better at pvp mico.

[Kalist19]

Pertaining to gangbanging: