Legion nerfed

[AcidAngel]

Legion just got nerfed because of forum complaints of Legion "Gangbangs". The new definition of gangbang, btw, is apparently something similar to: "Quexis sanced soinso."
The change made was to the markings, part III, and entails the following:

Formerly (and maybe even for a day or two more, but not for long) the markings under part 3 of the pact read, in part, as follows:

[Hamp]

My view on this new Legion rules, is that I'd rather join Assassins or Warlords, for they get about ten times better the skills then Legion does. If a Legion can't get a haste here or a sanc there from their other members then why play a Legion. Yes you can kill people yourself but they can get those spells, or if not they have a ton of better cabal skills to fall upon. Legion isn't meant to have honor and all that crap, if it was that way just call us another Warlord cabal but with gimped cabal spells. It is true that not alot of Legionairres have been fighting by themselves but who else is when we fight. We're not going around slaying people four on one or even three on one, worst case senario is about two on one now and that doesn't happen that much or I just haven't been seeing it. Half the time we're just running around hasted or sanced by one of our cabal mates and they don't even fight. If Legion can't have other people spelling us up then we should be allowed better cabal skills than we have because half are pointless. We have two spells that are actually useful. Others no one uses, I won't get into our spells on the forum but I'm sure other Legions will agree.

[E-ant]

but... but... thats just plain retarded...
I thought the no-ganging rule was a bit too harsh and now its no aiding... Just take away cabal chat, ranks and all the cabal skills while at it... which means no cabal. Legions must be following mystics way out of the game.

[Louis]

you know that instead of making this an in game and inner issue within legions/imms with notes, but rather by posting your markings on the forum.. you just effectively made things harder for yourself and for your cabal mates right?

anyhow the hardest part about managing legions is making the players want to become the strongest (without aid from other legions) without writing specific rules against that kinda thing. this must have been a much deliberated change to up the ante with your decision to join legions. join legions not for the cabal skills, not for the free hastes and sancs.. but join to be outnumbered at times and have a cabal to defend. whether it raises or deflates the cabal's popularity remains to be seen.

i personally think the no spell assistance is rough, but manageable. you may think legions are gimped, but does the pk record reflect that? how many legions have died compared to the knights? you should think about that.

[b00mslang]

1. Legions get by far the worst cabal skills of any real cabal while still having the obligation to defend their cabal.
2. Legions now have to fight alone.

In that way, I feel that dav is relying on the fact that legions are 'meant' to be the cream of the crop and thus they shouldn't get any good skills while still having rules and obligations to follow.

While if Legion continues to achieve success with these rules/obligations and sucky cabal skills, it will all the more make obvious their skill, this really makes Legion seem more like a cabal to challenge yourself with rather than another fun cabal to play.

I dunno, though I myself would rather simply replace the obligation to fight alone to pressuring legions to fight alone, I can see the logic behind dav's changes, or, rather, 'clarifications'

As for Hamp's idea of wanting to play an assassin or warlord, I still feel that warlord is too different to compare, while assassins can gimp you much easier than legion can.

[Resatimm]

Oh darn

Now you cant go get haste so you can easily nuke some schmo who has some nice rares.

You are supposed to be a group of thugs one upping each other in the method and sheer power you exert over other people

If you want to stand on the backs of others for your sucesses, go be a physicist or something


Legion have had it good for so long. In the past, who can stand before a hasted and sanced warrior/thief/ninja/berzerker

Now you guys have to earn your victories, which is the way it should be.

[AcidAngel]

Yes I knew that bringing it to the forum would entice every non legion to log every interaction we have to try to catch us messing up. You might be able to guess that this was davairus's idea, not mine. I understood the downside to making it public before I posted. I just don't care. I can play with my cards on the table. I knew that by taking it to the forum davairus would have the hand full of ass-kissers that dwell here, like you louis vying for an imm slot in every way possible, to back him up. I expected that. Lets call a spade a spade. People like that will try to sound informed and helpful while strategically agreeing with the imm, typical and predictable.
As far as the pk record is concerned... knights? We're talking about a real cabal here, not a newbie cabal so the pk record of legion will always reflect dominance. Knights are in no way comparable to players that can hack it in legion.

[Hamp]

If you thought we had it so easy for so long, then why not do anything about it when you held control for so many years over Legion? That and it is alot easier for you because unlike other people your good with Necro's. Who can't hack it if your that good with a necro. Warriors are alot harder to hold there own, well warrior types. Yes it can be done but shouldn't look down on it when you let it happen and played a class it is easier to deal with it.

[Sebryn]

[AcidAngel]

Res first. Let me bow down to how amazing bo was, lets see he excelled in rare hoarding and hiding in winter... great Legion. If you're going to criticize, maybe you should be able to hang first. That brings me to herald boy.

[Resatimm]

Keep in mind that I am an Immortal, not an Implementor. You can ask any Immortal, I was pushing for changes to Legion long ago. When Knights got the buffed stallions, I wanted to completely get rid of the shadows just to prove that Legions dont need charmies to slaughter people.

[Eldorian]

From dictionary.com:

a·lone (adv.)
1. Without others: sang alone while the choir listened.
2. Without help: carried the suitcases alone.
3. Exclusively; only: The burden of proof rests on the prosecution alone.

Apparently guys like AcidAngel thought hasting each other and sancing each other right before a fight still counted as "alone". Davairus simply cleared it up.

[b00mslang]

to augment my previous post, I'm actually beginning to see a problem here:

1. Legions = PK cabal
2. Legions cannot PK with help
3. Legions are an organisation with cabal chat.

So why the hell is there even a cabal chat? So you can organize winter trips more easily? So you have another channel to auction your wears?

Right now, legion is basically turning into an assassin training camp. Whereas in assassins you get gimped for failing to kill your contract, in legion you get another chance. Yet the pk guidelines in both cabals are the same, ie no assisted combat.

Yes, while I understand that at the moment, Legion is owning everyone, and thus it might seem to others that legion has to be toned down, as Acid_Angel told me, that is a reactive way of dealing with things, which in this case makes no sense. If legion is too powerful, why don't vets start making warlords and knights?

I think Legions should remain the way it is. I loved Dav's changes when he first replaced Resatimm as cabal leader, since he began to really recognize those who fought alone and came out on top. But now actually going to enforce the unaided battle rule is a little over the top. As I said earlier, what's the point of having a pk-oriented cabal with cabal chat if you can't help each others in a regular battle?

It just seems that an aim to fight alone/unaided makes a lot more sense than an obligation to fight unaided.

Also, personally I don't think people not in legion or who have not had a legion char recently should really speak out in this post, because they don't know firsthand what dav is prepared to do and what its like following legion cabal rules.

Basically I'm saying the naivete and irrelevancy in Sebryn's post annoys the shit outta me.

[Louis]

by the way, i've been giving some thought into this and figured something out. how do you promote infighting and power struggles in legion? cut off their treats.

a legion who can't get haste from an illusionist forsaken any time he wants.. suddenly has no more use to keep a weak illusionist forsaken around.. does he? muhhaahahahaha

although, i apologize for taking the cat out of the bag if i'm right.

[Resatimm]

Wow.

I listened to that entire bitch session you had, whining about semantics.

Cracked me up.

I let my record speak for itself when it comes to 'hanging as a legion'

I guess you think you rule because you are a drow shaman, which is almost impervious to anything. Try playing something with a weakness.

Hoarding winter rares? No, its called boredom. If you havent noticed, I dont play mortals anymore.

Personal attacks on me? That will get you nowhere.

[Eldorian]

Let me see if I've learned how to use quotes correctly:

[b00mslang]

you see, the question here is not about 1v1 battles when the legion is getting sanc/haste or something from someone else.

The problem here is in 1v2 battles, and the outlawing of 2v2 and 3v3 battles, or, that's how I understand it.

[Eldorian]

[Niladein]

Ohh Louis, you beautiful ass kisser. Bro, I'm probably the worst legion ever. So your right, I'm not really of any worth, but your life is just sad cause you spend it kissing these peoples ass in hopes that you can get a little title in a GAME making you an Immortal of a game that 20 people play. The difference between you and me is that I live a real life and my nose isnt brown.

Have a good day.

btw, way to pick on noobs trying to rank, i hope that makes you feel good.

[Eldorian]