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Mikoos



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 19, 2014 8:05 am    Post subject: protection/ac nonsense

You fade into existence.
Your beating misses Euriah.
Your beating wounds Euriah.
Your beating mauls Euriah.
Your beating wounds Euriah.
Your beating mauls Euriah.
Euriah's thrust DISMEMBERS you!
Euriah's thrust DISMEMBERS you!
Euriah's thrust DISMEMBERS you!
Euriah has some small wounds and bruises.

So this is something that has been bugging me lately, I don't want to talk about why he did that much damage to me, that I understand. what I want to talk about is why it looks like I'm fighting him with goblin EQ. right now I have about 30 damroll, which isn't great but should be enough to do /some/ damage instead of wounds. and I was wielding a level 50 ninja nunchaku, which is a higher than average flail. It didn't really matter what weapon I used though, still did the same damage.
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Davairus
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 19, 2014 9:01 am    Post subject:

seems strange do you do the same damage if you arent wearing any damroll?
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kento
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 19, 2014 10:41 am    Post subject:

Dude. Sanctuary, protection from evil, and ac. Do you really think this is all ac, just because someone mentioned it? That's retarded. If you've ever fought against a paladin as an evil, this is what you have come to expect. Of course if you just dirt him a couple of times it doesn't matter. He has NO protection against your weapon type skills. At all. None. Dirt, use skills. Period.
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Dogran
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 19, 2014 1:49 pm    Post subject:

What kento said. Euriah is decked. 30 damage isn't going to cut it against someone who has protection, sanc and uber ac.

I don't know why you expect to do really well against someone that well geared.
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Ozaru



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 19, 2014 4:22 pm    Post subject:

i thought holy/unholy armor protected the paladin from clobber and stuff
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Mummy



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 19, 2014 4:40 pm    Post subject:

Nah, it only protects from nerve.
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Olyn
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 19, 2014 5:54 pm    Post subject:

Ozaru wrote:
i thought holy/unholy armor protected the paladin from clobber and stuff

It protects from almost all of the same stuff as weapon ward. Ward blocks completely and does retaliation damage, unholy armor lets the attack get through and protects from most secondary effects.
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Mikoos



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 19, 2014 7:19 pm    Post subject:

There's no way I was/am expecting to do really well against him. just thought I'd do a little bit more damage, I know I need more damroll and a higher ave wep, but on the other hand I feel like the AC/protection is a bit much for an average player to get through.

I'll have to look at the log when I get back home, i think i was doing the same amount of damage hand to hand when the weapons disintegrated. I think one side step dismembered him lol but I'll have to check.
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Nycticora



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 19, 2014 11:28 pm    Post subject:

I took a look at both characters' equipment and this does seem a little strange. I'm not 100% sure what's up. It seems like there's a little bit more damage reduction than I would have expected, like he found a way to get stone skin or barkskin or something. It could just be protection though and I'm miscalibrated. Wounds/mauls is more damage than you might think.
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Fireballe2



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 20, 2014 1:28 am    Post subject:

Nycticora wrote:
I'm miscalibrated.


probably. You're saying that any gear barring winter rares sucks, and people shouldnt expect to do anything but delete if they dont have winter rares.
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Nycticora



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 20, 2014 4:13 am    Post subject:

you are fucked in the head guy
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Nycticora



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 20, 2014 4:15 am    Post subject:

Yo Mikoos, we found a problem. Looks like created Ninja weapons didn't have the "enchanted" flag on them, even though they had enchantments. Bonuses based on character level and some other strange stuff wasn't happening right because of it. You should see an improvement, reply or bug it if anything weird is still going on.
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Mikoos



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 20, 2014 7:50 am    Post subject:

awesome, I'll get back with you guys.
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Fireballe2



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 20, 2014 9:05 am    Post subject:

Nycticora wrote:
you are fucked in the head guy


http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-shrink-tank/201204/what-we-say-reveals-secrets-about-who-we-are

quite revealing.
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Ergorion



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 20, 2014 9:07 am    Post subject:

Fireballe2 wrote:
Nycticora wrote:
you are fucked in the head guy


http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-shrink-tank/201204/what-we-say-reveals-secrets-about-who-we-are

quite revealing.


Psych today. Cool source Hansel.
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Nycticora



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 20, 2014 9:14 am    Post subject:

Fireballe2 wrote:
quite revealing.


Are you trying to say you analyzed the frequency of pronouns and prepositions in my posts and you have a heuristic analysis for us to see? If so, that sounds interesting, please post it.

Otherwise, are you trying to say that you are a retard and only read the headlines of news articles?
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Fireballe2



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 20, 2014 9:45 am    Post subject:

Every additional post you make reveals more of who you are. Smh.
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Miley



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 20, 2014 1:19 pm    Post subject:

I had the same thing when fighting against Tuston, it's like beating a tank with a wooden stick while it's firing wrathballs in your face.

With some timing and toying you can win, but the damage difference is just retarded Razz
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Kato



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 20, 2014 1:45 pm    Post subject:

Fighting paladins is always a challenge, since they have excellent damage, some staying power, and if you back off they can heal. If you're an evil then they have protection too, which unbalances things further, but it's really not as bad as it seems.

Both fighter and rogue classes have an ability that really messes with paladins - dirt. Paladins do not have blind fighting, and are also slow to rub out. Fighter classes can dirt and flee/murder to outdamage even well-geared paladins. Rogues have less hp and worse defenses, so even this strategy might not be enough to outdamage someone as well-geared as Euriah. But rogues still do get the ability to overcome parry with weapon type advantage, which is as strong as ever. A rogue dual-wielding blades and dirting and skirmishing is hard to fight. And if that fails, there's always blackjack>steal everything or strangle>assassinate.[/list]
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Fireballe2



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 10:14 am    Post subject:

Paladins are not hard to kill. Outdamage them and lag skills.
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