Defenses? Broken?

[Baer]

So, I'm sitting here trying to train, and with a dex of 21, I'm not even shield blocking. Maybe once every third round or so, but not with any regularity.

Has this happened to anyone else?

[Angelic Mortal]

same problem though I'm not training, im not being hit almost ALL misses.

[Burzuk]

Details.

Level
Race
Class
Equipment, ESPECIALLY what's in BOTH of your hands
Name and/or level of mob(s) you were fighting

[Burzuk]

And if you're fighting a PC, the same for them as well.

[Baer]

Half-elf warrior, level 14....

You are using:
<used as light> (Glowing) shaman's staff
<worn on torso> a battered iron breast plate
<worn as shield> a silver shield etched with a bear
<held> a Four-Leaf Clover
<floating nearby> a pink and green stone

Only fighting hobgoblin soldiers, so level 3ish.

[Davairus]

Change made to shield block, might be fixed might not.

[Baer]

That's a big "no" big guy, still a non-factor. Not even averaging one per round, and I'm fighitng eight of the buggers. But no matter.

Thank you, however, for the effort, it is appreciated.

[Davairus]

The defences are higher on the chain now. This means that "miss" attacks no longer get checked by defences. Training mobs and lowbie mobs are rather notorious for it. See how things work in later ranks.

[Resatimm]

Haha. People that are training just got pwned.

[Esivole]

True, it will now take next to four months to train efficiently. hmm...

[Trillian]

Actually, this really promotes the idea of training through leveling as it has been preached many times before. It is a waste of a character to spend 50 hours training, dying, and deleting... Now you spend 50 hours ranking, die, and then delete.

[Esivole]

Still a waist. this is going to be Quite interesting to see how everyone will react to there newest idea of training defences. I predict the worse and hope for the best.

[Resatimm]

On my last necromancer, I mastered parry in 15 minuites from 24%. With my healer, I did shield block in 25 minutes. This will make you actually work for the increases instead of sitting there reading a book while the rounds of battle fly by.

[Mendek]

... Riposte. Can you imagine training that now? Think of Warlords too.

[Tsaphiel]

[Brains]

Actually, the mage only has to worry about one defense, and one that is easy to train.
The poor warrior, on the other hand, has up to five defenses. I think it's safe to say that warriors are the ones over the barrel on this change, not the mages.

[Davairus]

Your mage has only one defence anyway, and on top of that, just a few weapons, and low hp. They've always had a tough time melee-wise - they're "offensive" classes, with little "defensive" skills. Just look at illusionists, with their duplicates and gate spells to slip away from fights. Or necros with their mobs able to do the tanking for them. 100 parry is not a cure for that weakness. Primary/Offhand split helps though.

Have you given any consideration to what else this change affected? Since we might wanna be able to nerf it before it gets known, I'm not going to just list everything out, but as an example, I suggest you healers give barrier another try..

[Magik]

yes I have noticed too that defences are gimped, I spent the past 5 hours working on defences that just wouldn't go up, all I get is misses from the mobs and my skills never get checked. shieldblock increased once in 23 ranks of tanking mobs with just shield block..

I dunno, just think it's funny that you can't dodge/parry/shield block at all cause of a change in the code?

^ decided to say screw it and try my defences all practiced.. since defences are screwed who cares about training them when an invoker can our parry you

[Davairus]

The only change was that the 'misses' are no longer blockable. Thats all that the defences arent blocking. Like I said in the AC thread, that basically craps out for good past 35 or so.

[divsky]

Sounds to me that "misses" are actually checked as a defense in your chain of defenses. Meaning that to actually check one of your defenses an attack has to pass through your AC and not miss.

I'm sure all the training-babies are having a hissy fit over this one (seryie). Starting to get the picture that the imms don't want you to waste all of your time training and to just go out there and fucking rank?