Wishlist item - additional Monk race

Rothak · Joined: 03 Oct 2011 Posts: 257 Location: Japan

Drow monks, so that there can be at least 1 other race beside human that can be evil.

lionSpyre · Joined: 07 Sep 2015 Posts: 109

Agreed, although I think it’s fair to open it up to elves if you do drow. Which isn’t a bad thing. And it could help increase the number of monks people are rolling.

Davairus · Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2023 9:23 pm Post subject:

I wasnt expecting imagining a drow with a bowl cut yelling "WATAAA!" on my saturday morning...

Rothak · Joined: 03 Oct 2011 Posts: 257 Location: Japan

But you can imagine a Drow singing songs? Seems anti-Drowish to me.

Ashlyn · Joined: 20 Oct 2006 Posts: 287

I can imagine a drow being a ranger. Singing? Sure.

Davairus · Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2023 2:18 am Post subject:

There's two options I see for monks getting a "new" race. (1) We could recognize the old implementor Rakhashe as a shapeshifting deity and then have a cat race called Rakh or something, like a were-tiger. Then open that up to monks, thieves, warriors, illusionist etc. (2) or just give the monk class an innate +1 strength due to their relentless training. so then a human monk could be 21 str/dex or 22str

Stephen2Aus · Joined: 02 Jan 2014 Posts: 122

Stiehl26 · Joined: 16 Jan 2004 Posts: 693

There are some pretty deeply engrained drow bards in forgotten realms. It is actually a specialized kind of magic for some of them. The baeles’quel or something.

lionSpyre · Joined: 07 Sep 2015 Posts: 109

As much as I love seeing all these buffs coming monk’s way, I’ll point out that they’ve likely just gotten a major buff over the last patch and a half, both directly (wind walking) and indirectly (nixing skirmish, slowing down weapon swap, boosting engraves). Giving them a free point of strength would be the damage boost people have been asking for, but now that buff would come after they’ve just gotten a serious boon to survivability. I would like to wait and see if they’ve come to a good place balance wise or if they’re even too strong now.

Also I love the Rakh idea.

Davairus · Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2023 4:49 am Post subject:

mocked one up for later
https://abandonedrealms.com/realms/races/jagar.php

Ashlyn · Joined: 20 Oct 2006 Posts: 287

I can get behind that. A race that licks itself, meows, purrs, and throws sand over its enemies after shitting on them. Racial Legacy bonuses to leopard and/or tiger style depending on camo pattern and enhanced dirt kick. Racial weakness to water, balls of yarn, and beams of light.

STR:18 INT:17 WIS:23 DEX:23 CON:22

Mogu · Joined: 21 Mar 2015 Posts: 123

22 con? Nah.

18/20/23/24/18

Olyn · Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2023 2:09 pm Post subject:

We could probably achieve the mechanical equivalent of those two suggested variants by introducing goblins and orc (or half-orc) as more than skinned custom races. That does it without the need to retcon cat lore.

Ashlyn · Joined: 20 Oct 2006 Posts: 287

Cats are stupid, but have nine lives. Don't ruin this for me, I need the opportunity to roleplay Cheetarah from Thundercats.

Davairus · Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2023 6:08 pm Post subject:

The custrace stuff aside, orc/goblin have been requested many times and always totally shut down by our past imps. So I think those two races are pretty much non-starters. Out of respect for those guys, I do not think it is right to now add them. Plus I do not think I'd want to see orc monks anyway. that seems sketchy.

Then on the retcon side, its a fair point, we slapped jotun in with the previous in-game race being completely wrong. That makes a lot of work to undo previous nonsense. In this case its a totally blank page and could probably as easily arrive with a new/returning area.

Also just to be clear that this is a jaguars hybrid, not a housecat hybrid, I was thinking we could take some inspiration from mexican wrestling /aztec warrior culture for this one. remembering the bigger picture to create something that is more appealing to play than what we have, which is the exact reason why there are not orcs or drow rangers to play (viewed as an overdone turn off). There may well be an absence of Aztec stuff and we should probably address it.

BlackWidow · Joined: 24 Apr 2014 Posts: 473 Location: Yes

The problem with making orcs a main race in my opinion is that there's too many fixed expectations people have of the race which may or may not be accurate in AR. Goblins have their own problems as well.

The main issue I have with orcs is people expecting them to be like orcs from Tolkien or World of Warcraft and stereotyping them. Having an entire race drinking blood (as opposed to just some Legion members) seems silly to me. Drow ranger has the problem of people taking stuff from Forgotten Realms since there's one archetype/one common example everyone knows.

Regarding the hybrid cat race... I'm not totally familiar with the Aztec folklore/culture other than the Eagle and Jaguar warriors being at the top of society (and that's not merely due to Sid Meier's Civilization). But, I hope we don't end up with something so ridiculously similar to the taxabi (leopard/jaguar men) race from AD&D 2nd edition that people take too much inspiration from that either.

Davairus · Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2023 7:56 pm Post subject:

Blackwidow if there is a DND thing that makes it stupid, I am not surprised, considering how much criticism they have taken for being racist. I don't give a rat's ass what DND has.

Stephen2Aus · Joined: 02 Jan 2014 Posts: 122

Reading that page was really cool, loved the writing. Made me want to roleplay one, great job Smile

twerpalina · Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2023 9:03 am Post subject:

What about adding Tieflings? Those would make bonkers monkers.

Zooka · Joined: 23 Nov 2020 Posts: 38 Location: Independent

Get over the monk love people. There's other areas that need attention.

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