Codael Vs. Niamh

posted on 2008-01-31 02:02:45
Sorry, but I just thought this was pretty funny. I only took gold (even though that is a bit unfair in this situation). This is the whole fight, btw.

100%hp 100%mp 87%mv<14133tnl 12567g>night inside kk
Niamh yells 'Help! I am being attacked by Codael!'
Your slash DISEMBOWELS Niamh!
Your slash DISEMBOWELS Niamh!
Your slash DISEMBOWELS Niamh!
Niamh has some big nasty wounds and scratches.

100%hp 100%mp 87%mv<14133tnl 12567g>night inside
A beggar walks up.
Niamh has some big nasty wounds and scratches.

100%hp 100%mp 87%mv<14133tnl 12567g>night inside
You dodge Niamh's flaming bite.
Shipwreck the kestrel's peck misses Niamh.
Shipwreck the kestrel's peck misses Niamh.
Your slash MUTILATES Niamh!
Your slash MUTILATES Niamh!
A wild boar's charge devastates Niamh!
A wild boar's charge devastates Niamh!
A large wolf's bite decimates Niamh!
Niamh is mortally wounded, and will die soon, if not aided.
A large wolf's bite DISEMBOWELS Niamh!
Niamh is DEAD!!
Niamh's foot is ripped from her leg.

Niamh was calling me names (and rightly so), so I was angry about it.
  1. Mandor Codael Vs. Niamh -
    with all the special things rangers get because of combat changes, it looks like pets are just the gravy that overpowers them now, especially with bow specific attacks.
  2. Clifton Codael Vs. Niamh -
    Please cry more. I can't hear what you're saying over the ridiculously loud noise of your suckage, you stupid fucking whining noob. Please learn to pk before wasting any more room on this log board. Thank you very much.
  3. davor Codael Vs. Niamh -
    overpowered...
    for fucks sake...
  4. trance Codael Vs. Niamh -
    I just want to know what names she was calling you, that would have been far more instereting
  5. balaks Codael Vs. Niamh -
    Uh... whats overpowered about that? The guy doesnt look like he had sanc up for a start..
  6. cateroth Codael Vs. Niamh -
    A large wolf's bite DISEMBOWELS Niamh!

    o.o
  7. codael Codael Vs. Niamh -
    Half-elf ranger, I have pretty good equipment - just living wood/mithril combo with a rare or two. That's a serin longsword, and Niamh (the drow invoker, I think) claimed he was half-dead after I posted the log, so I'm not too sure this is a great example of how overpowered rangers are... the round after my initial murder came really quick too, so pretty much no time to react. And besides, he was talking to Grumly so he could've been in the middle of a say too.
  8. rezakhan Codael Vs. Niamh -
    An invoker without sanc has always been meat to a ranger, well before combat changes and bows.
    Not taking away anything from Codael, but this log is absolutely not an indication that rangers are overpowered.
  9. Mandor Codael Vs. Niamh -
    lol, clifton this is a third person perspective that Im saying it. someone not have their lithium today. poor cliffy :'(.

    perhps I wasn't clear though, at 50 they may be fine, but having so many pets at such low levels is like a fire giant without damage caps harvesting newbies. But Im sure you're simply defending rangers because thats all you play clif, you'd probably have babies with the class if you could.
  10. erlwith Codael Vs. Niamh -
    First off, bow specific attacks aren't as cool as you think Mandor. Wounding shot even on someone in awful condition tends to fail quite often. They have all of fiver combat related bow skills, and NO others. That means no defensive combat skills (sideswipe or spinbash or sidestep or clobber, etc.) and that means no dual wielding combat skills (no barrage and so forth). Secondly, before 50 the max is two pets... That's hardly overpowered especially when they poof after some time in civilization. Lastly... he was fighting a drow invoker without sanc. This post couldn't prove your point of "Overpowered Rangers" any less Mandor if it was a log of two level ones cybering. Ranger pets are part of what makes the class formidable.
  11. Esura Codael Vs. Niamh -
    Mandor, I think Clifton is deliberately trying to get you riled up and you're playing right into his hands. Just ignore him instead of flaming him back; that's probably more disappointing for him. When you flame him back you look sort of, well, immature.

    That said, you were definitely not clear enough when you said rangers are overpowered, because they're not. If you had said that rangers are good at a certain niche like you seem to say in your clarifying post, people might be less inclined to say that you're wrong. Also, I'll just give the common response here before somebody else does: "If you think they're so overpowered, play one yourself and show us all how overpowered rangers are."
  12. Clifton Codael Vs. Niamh -
    I heard that Esura is dodging logging on because she's afraid of my e-peen.

    That said, I'm pretty reasonable to talk to if you don't come into the situation looking like a complete idiot, which I will claim you did in your first post, and continue to do in your second post. My flame post wasn't directed at the post, it was directed specifically at your comment. And I'll stick by my statement that you should learn how to pk, thereby knowing a means to counter rangers, before you post.

    Secondly, my cheese class is and always will be illusionists, not rangers. Because, with mirror images I can make multiple of me to mud sex with.
  13. Clifton Codael Vs. Niamh -
    In response to Cateroth's reply, that disembowels was after he was mortally wounded. The damage from that type of condition is always more than the average.
  14. Vertas Codael Vs. Niamh -
    I hate to say it but i actually laughed at that mirror images statement...Kudos
  15. Mandor Codael Vs. Niamh -
    two pets, 1 merc/constant pet, 3 defenses, warrioresque anti-escape bow skills, fighter like HP and has dirt kick. contrast to a necro which has been gimped over and over, has only 1 defense, takes lots of time to build up a good zombie army, etc etc. yes for the low to mid 30s ranger is the niche elite. I dont think you guys are even thinking about it before your knee jerk reaction of flaming someone who you feel personally attacks you because your views differ from someone elses. if you want to act like a child go ahead.
  16. Clifton Codael Vs. Niamh -
    I'm sorry. You wrote "with all the special things rangers get because of combat changes, it looks like pets are just the gravy that overpowers them now, especially with bow specific attacks." I called you a fucking retard for writing that and said that you should learn to pk before posting more. My knee jerk reaction was to decided what you posted was moronic and call you out on it. Pretty sure I wasn't insulted by it, nor did I feel personally attacked. You are wrong about rangers being overpowered, just take a look at the number of pinnacled rangers tearing shit up. Maybe you've never seen a dk's fireball tear a ranger to shit. Or maybe you forgot that rangers get 12-14 hp health gains, and have only 60 or so more hp than an invoker. That's 1 flame arrow through sanc. Maybe if you actually looked at the log before you opened your mouth, you'd realize that the victim wasn't prepared at all, and that there's absolutely no way this is a representative log of ranger combat. So please, for the love, think about what you are going to say and at least qualify it if you don't want to be called out.
  17. rezakhan Codael Vs. Niamh -
    1. I don't know what you mean by 'you guys'--no one flamed you but Clifton, and he flames everyone.
    2. Two pets--do you have any idea how little HP ranger pets have? A few good fireballs, or a couple rounds from a decently equipped warrior, and they're dead.
    3. 3 defenses--let's use logic here. You think bow skills are overpowered, but then point out they have 3 defenses. If they're using a bow, they don't have 3 defenses, they have two.
    4. Warrioresque anti-escape bow skills--Umm. No. Wounding shot is nowhere near the same level as hobble/bash/trip.
    5. Fighter like HP--not true. More like DK like HP, if that. Less if elf or half elf.
    6. Dirt kick--And? Half the classes in the game now are effectively immune to dirt kick, long as they keep protective shield up. And if they let their spells fall, then that's always been a reason for mages to die.
  18. niamh Not to sound whiny... -
    I was unsanced, 3/4's hp, and enchanting for grumly. I'd literally just cast an enchant when Codael comes out of no where and nails me thats probably why the rounds came so quick and I couldn't see him lurking in the woods before I sat like a fatty in the meat store to enchant.


    But really this isn't the full story...Codael kept claiming he was from Valour and I was oathed at the time so I didn't see him as a threat...And I'd lost all my armor to someone while disconnected.

    BTW: If who ever raped me of all my rares while I was disconnected is reading this...post a log of that?
  19. Mandor Codael Vs. Niamh -
    ironic that the only counter you guys can come up with is something that has a slight chance of doing massive damage to all targets in the room, or could do wounds. not every class has AOE attacks. I said earlier that pinnacled rangers are more balanced. its the low levels that they are not. DOnt you have to level to 50 to have a reasonable HP pool for a number of classes, as well as not being level disadvantaged? I think a certain imm/imp said this. clearly you either cant understand english or you didnt read it at all. either of which means you shouldn't be arguing clifton
  20. rezakhan Codael Vs. Niamh -
    I named 5 points to counter what you said. I'm not sure how you can claim the only counter I came up with was talking about fireball. In fact, it seems it is you who only brought up one counter--that fireball is not universal, and not always effective. So let's go class by class to see how to combat the 'overpowered' ranger pets

    DK/Invoker--Fireball. Already discussed. With the low armor class on pets, the worst you'll get is a DISEMBOWELS, but far more likely you'll hit triple stars.

    Berserker/warrior--With their defenses, they probably won't get hit much by pets regardless. However, if you want to get rid of them, it shouldn't take more than a few rounds. Then it's fighter class vs. fighter class with less combat skills.

    Paladin--Flamestrike. Big damage because of the low armor class, and chance to blind. Blind pets do next to nothing.

    Necro/Shaman--Blindness. See above.

    Ninja--Blindness dust. See above.

    Illusionist--If you are at the point where you can get two illusions, pets aren't much of a problem. Before that, you should be running away with illusionists anyway.

    Thief--A bit harder than some of the others. I think you used to be able to blackjack pets, but not sure about now. Even so, a nice dual backstab will take out a pet in one shot. Then you can deal with the other one melee style or just focus on the ranger.

    Healer--Divine retribution used to work wonders on pets, but I understand it's not what it used to be. I have no idea how to fight with a healer these days.

    So there you have it. Pets on a low level ranger are no more overpowered than plenty of other skills in the game. Are rangers stronger in low levels than some classes? Yes. Are they overpowered in those levels? No.

  21. balaks Codael Vs. Niamh -
    rank a ranger to 50 and fight a semi-competant warrior and then come back to me about them being overpowered.
  22. retard Codael Vs. Niamh -
    Ranger wolf in a log indicates that it isnt "low level". Its actually at least level 30. Nobody getting one rounded past that rank knows what they're doing.
  23. Mandor Codael Vs. Niamh -
    hey bandwagon tards, I already stated twice they werent so overpowered at 50. yes, a class with multiple defenses will be able to tank better.

    you're going to hang a whole paladins success on a chance to blind spell?

    youre forgetting rank advantage comparing blind spells to beating pets with certain classes. how often do you successfully blind a mob 5 levels above you with the spell? never? thought so. this is the same reason the amount of zombies a necro was allowed to have was toned down in the lower ranks.

    blinded pet for a ranger? release and call another. wasted mana for that spell? absolutely.

    niching. using superior rank and abilities for a certain level range to gank the "competition".

    Say, where's the eyeroll emote for this board anyhow?
  24. Esura Codael Vs. Niamh -
    You're not going to win people over by calling everyone an "bandwagon tard" just because they say you're wrong.

    Why are you so bitter all the time?
  25. rezakhan Codael Vs. Niamh -
    --Read what I said again. Flamestrike does massive damage to pets, it addition to have a chance to blind. In no way did I say hang a paladins success on the blind chance.
    --I'm not forgetting anything. Try blinding ranger pets, and then tell me if its as hard as blinding a mob five levels above. You'll find it's not.
    --It was my understanding that you can't just call pets anymore on demand. Even when you could, there was a long delay on beast call. It's not hard to blind a pet, then if the ranger releases it, blind the new one again. It really isn't a big waste of mana.

  26. codael niamh - -
    I knew you were oathed, so that's why I lied about it. I knew I was going to get the first attack in (shame that's not going to work anymore). And that's not a lie, heh.

    It was kind of funny how I walked in with sanc, waited for a second, walked out, and THEN attacked - I hadn't set my alias yet, so it didn't do anything...
  27. niamh Codael Vs. Niamh -
    I was enchanting...I couldn't react
  28. retard Codael Vs. Niamh -
    I think if ranger pets were really that overpowered in low levels then more people would be saying it. The hasted falcons still piss me off at 50 actually. But I got nothing against crappy wolves. They dont do very much and they go back to the wilds fast.
  29. davor Codael Vs. Niamh -
    yeah those falcons really slap silly...
  30. erlwith Codael Vs. Niamh -
    hey mandor...ever heard that saying "everyone is lost but me." chances are, if everyone from newbie to aged vet to staff say you're wrong... you're probably wrong
  31. Piracan2 Codael Vs. Niamh -
    ok, you guys are right, classes with low amounts of defense and HP can totally tank those boars, birds, etc. oh wait, they cant, even with superior rank to the pets, even with the best tanking weapons and shields.

    and to answer your question esura, clifton started the flamefest game. I enjoy playing it too just like he does for the same reason we both play AR. for amusement.
  32. niamh Codael Vs. Niamh -
    Well...with my great armor that adds about 225 health and 9 afflictive save break I could of taken those pets with one or two fireballs or storms...


    But somehow I logged off but didn't and got raped by some idiot so I didn't get the chance.

    Thats right Codael...I could of taken you if:

    1) You weren't a liar
    2) I had some armor at all...
    3) I wasn't enchanting

    (Yes. I am whining.)
  33. rezakhan Codael Vs. Niamh -
    So, Piracan is Mandor, by a different name?
    If so, then you still can't read. If not, then you also can't read.
    Look at what I said again. Tell me where in my explanation I said classes with low defense and HP should tank ranger pets.
    I didn't. For each class with low HP and/or defenses, I gave a way to deal with pets THAT DID NOT INVOLVE just tanking them.
    Learn to read. It helps with text-based games.