Kushtok V Crisbin

1. kushtok Kushtok V Crisbin -
   So basically bards in keepers are insanely overpowered they can gamble equipment with limitless possibilities and I have no idea how to protect myself from songs since I never tried to play a bard. Add atonement on that and you have deadly combination. I wouldnt get too full of myself crisbin like many of my kills its atonement that did the dirty work not you
2. xenyar Kushtok V Crisbin -
   You did you herb right next to him at the end, lag yourself and die because of it?
3. kushtok Kushtok V Crisbin -
   guess you did not notice he used misdirection and each direction i tried was the wrong one. herb was a last resort
4. Nadrin Kushtok V Crisbin -
   Get recall sack, quaf recall.
5. blarg Kushtok V Crisbin -
   wear saves dumbass
6. ergorion Kushtok V Crisbin -
   He did try to quaff a recall but he fumbled it. Also, theyre both Keepers, so theyve both got the same temple.
7. kushtok Kushtok V Crisbin -
   eh go fuck yourself blarq if i knew what his songs did id wear mental saves never played a bard never had to fight a bard. I am outcasted so my temple is in exile. So just so people can learn from this log and not make the same mistakes as me, bards can cast hysteria, misdirection, dirt kick you uncanny attack lol shaman ill rogue all in one. I was wearing mal saves because in the other fight I think he casted something on me but I cannot remember
8. nycticora Kushtok V Crisbin -
   you had a grand total of 5 save vs maledictive
   
   that is not wearing saves man, you were in full wood
   
   Paranoia lasts 2 ticks are you tellin me someone in the top 5 cant run that off?
9. kato Kushtok V Crisbin -
   "So basically bards in keepers are insanely overpowered" --> Okay, there is your thesis. Let us take a look at your evidence.
   
   1. "they can gamble equipment with limitless possibilities" --> Yeah, anyone can do that.
   
   2. "and I have no idea how to protect myself from songs" --> This is a personal problem, not a problem with bards. Though I agree with bards PK restrictions lifted, the helpfiles for songs should have the spell type included.
   
   3. "Add atonement on that" --> Again, not a bard skill. Bards do not get dual wield or third attack, so they get about 1/3 of the mileage of the extra hit/dam that a ranger would. No idea if spellbreak affects bards
   
   Analysis and conclusion: you are butthurt
10. kato Kushtok V Crisbin -
    What happened in this fight is you got unlucky with RNG and hit him only a few times while he hit you lots. This will NOT happen often with a ranger versus bard. Good players know how to escape when they get bad luck, and take advantage of good luck. I think you may be a bit too used to outdamaging everyone as a keeper ranger
11. kushtok Kushtok V Crisbin -
    I fought him 4 times, I never out damaged him. His equipment is much better due to gambling from increased haggle so its easier for him to get what he needs. Most of his songs are mental except weaken but the weaken spell I cannot cure with herb, which is terrible because it weakens str and int so my herb is useless anyway.The fact that I have dual wield and third attack and he out damages regularly should tell you its not rng
12. anonymous Kushtok V Crisbin -
    False. You totally outdamaged me at least once. That time you chased me to Solace you were kicking my ass left and right.
    
    Also, the gambled equipment I had at that time was roughly equivalent to the thews in terms of hit/dam. Theres a benefit thats not hit/dam that I wont divulge over the forums, though you can probably guess.
    
    Also also, herb being an esuna is yet another reason rangers are l33t.
    
    Finally, your problem once you were out of Keepers was your hitroll was horrendously low. Relying on atonement will give you a skewed perception of how much hitroll you need.
13. kushtok Kushtok V Crisbin -
    herb does not cure anything from a bard. Even if our eq hit dam is the same you still have battlehymn and complete focus. To be honest hit roll was never a problem with anyone else with or without atonement. But I did not fight too many rouges so maybe it is a small sample size. I was shocked how little I hit you regardless, but a half-elf is notorious for being hard to hit. I remember fighting valen could never touch that guy. Just as rangers are the bane to illusionists half-elf bards could be the same to rangers
14. darshanzn Kushtok V Crisbin -
    My berserker got top gamble items,
    
15. bah Kushtok V Crisbin -
    ive deleted the last 3 blank logs, did you have any apostrophes on them or did it fail for some other reason?
16. anonymous Kushtok V Crisbin -
    There were the run of the mill apostrophes that are in ever log. e.g. Crisbin[apostrophe]s slash PIMP SLAPS you.
    
    The first post, I probably had some in the comments I made, but then I deleted my commentary and just tried to post the log itself.
17. Rondak Kushtok V Crisbin -
    Apostrophes from game script are ok in initial log for some reason.
18. blarg Kushtok V Crisbin -
    fyi, I updated (or delegated the updates, sometimes I forget) every bard song helpfile to include what save to wear a couple months ahead of the bard pk change. I also spent hours integrating bard songs into spells like dispel magic, cancel, and esuna a few weeks before the change. If herb cures a spell that has a similar effect to a bard song, report it as a bug and I will fix it.
19. ergorion Kushtok V Crisbin -
    Why does herb heal both hp and affects? That seems a bit much considering how difficult it can be to land a spell against a fully prepared opponent. perhaps there should be an option herb health; herb aff. Like the different types of barkskin.
20. goatwhore Kushtok V Crisbin -
    i really like the idea of option skills n spells. always have, gives diversity to the classes.
21. goatwhore Kushtok V Crisbin -
    i meant like when they get the skill, they choose to have herb health or herb magic, cant have both. a berserker gets choose wild smash, or wild throw haha
22. kushtok Kushtok V Crisbin -
    herb heals weaken, plague, dysentry and maybe poison i am not sure. I do not think that herb is op because you can only use it once ever 10 or 14 hours something like that. So once I cure it, mkatos can cast it on me right away again. When I was fighting him I had to be careful when to herb because if I used it heal myself too early he could cast his mals on me if I waited too long he could just harm me to death. Do not get me wrong it has saved my ass a few times to enable me to run and hide, but if a shaman can land mals on you easily your gonna have a bad time.
    
    btw invokations secret ploy is to get everyone to start saying do not and cannot
23. blarg Kushtok V Crisbin -
    I will look at herb to make sure relevant bard songs can be cured. Thanks, Kushtok.
24. ergorion Kushtok V Crisbin -
    "if a shaman can land mals on you easily your gonna have a bad time"
    
    That is your problem. A shaman lands spells easily because you dont wear enough saves. Put on enough saves, problem solved.
25. kushtok Kushtok V Crisbin -
    ur welcome i found a lot of bugs with my ranger glad to help the game but i am not going to lie that its upsetting that bards were not tested extensively since dying to crisbin helped me delete
26. kushtok Kushtok V Crisbin -
    here is another bug with bears and panthers the timer you developed does not work bears will come or panthers will come even if the timer has not expired
27. anonymous Kushtok V Crisbin -
    None of your deaths to Crisbin would have been prevented with herb.
28. iolo Kushtok V Crisbin -
    Kushtok - consider yourself our first test subject. Thank you for your assistance.
29. blarg Kushtok V Crisbin -
    Herb has been updated to factor in bard songs. I am unable to duplicate ranger pet cooldown failure. Do you have more info?
30. kushtok Kushtok V Crisbin -
    nope i deleted