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Thoom vs Cothagh (Juggernaut)

posted on 2020-07-30 02:15:15

<687/687hp 1154/1154m 394/394mv 17156g><11am (day) city (indoors)>vs.*none*
Cothagh walks in.
A wild boar walks in.

<687/687hp 1154/1154m 394/394mv 17156g><11am (day) city (indoors)>vs.*none*
[WARLORD] the Juggernaut: 'Thoom has challenged Cothagh to a fight to the stun in the arena.'
The Juggernaut says 'Thoom has challenged Cothagh to a fight to the stun in the arena.'

<687/687hp 1154/1154m 394/394mv 17156g><11am (day) city (indoors)>vs.*none*
A wild boar looks uncomfortable in these surroundings.
You are hungry.
The town clock tolls twelve times as noon approaches.

<687/687hp 1154/1154m 394/394mv 17156g><12pm (noon) city (indoors)>vs.*none*
Cothagh says 'Which arena are we using?'

<687/687hp 1154/1154m 394/394mv 17156g><12pm (noon) city (indoors)>vs.*none*
Cothagh says 'The Ford?'

<687/687hp 1154/1154m 394/394mv 17156g><12pm (noon) city (indoors)>vs.*none*
Thoom nods at Cothagh.

<687/687hp 1154/1154m 394/394mv 17156g><12pm (noon) city (indoors)>vs.*none*
Cothagh nods.

<687/687hp 1154/1154m 394/394mv 17156g><12pm (noon) city (indoors)>vs.*none*
Thoom says 'Most like it. Rangers especially.'

<687/687hp 1154/1154m 394/394mv 17156g><12pm (noon) city (indoors)>vs.*none*
[WARLORD] the Juggernaut: 'Cothagh has accepted Thoom's challenge.'
The Juggernaut says 'Cothagh has accepted Thoom's challenge.'

<687/687hp 1154/1154m 394/394mv 17156g><12pm (noon) city (indoors)>vs.*none*
Thoom opens the door below you.

<687/687hp 1154/1154m 394/394mv 17156g><12pm (noon) city (indoors)>vs.*none* bet 3000 thoom
You have bet 3000 gold coins on Thoom.
[WARLORD] the Juggernaut: 'Ilromie has bet 3000 gold coins on Thoom.'
The Juggernaut says 'Ilromie has bet 3000 gold coins on Thoom.'
[WARLORD] the Juggernaut: 'There are now 3000 gold coins on Thoom, and 0 on Cothagh.'
The Juggernaut says 'There are now 3000 gold coins on Thoom, and 0 on Cothagh.'

<687/687hp 1154/1154m 394/394mv 14156g><12pm (noon) city (indoors)>vs.*none*
Thoom walks down.
Honk the violent cobra chicken flies down.



(Cut for time, Cothagh's hands are too bloody to enter for a while)




<687/687hp 873/1154m 394/394mv 14156g><2pm (day) city (indoors)>vs.*none*
Cothagh walks down.
A wild boar walks down.

<687/687hp 873/1154m 394/394mv 14156g><2pm (day) city (indoors)>vs.*none*
The Juggernaut says 'Cothagh closes the door above you.'
The door below you closes.

<687/687hp 873/1154m 394/394mv 14156g><2pm (day) city (indoors)>vs.*none*
The Juggernaut says 'Thoom nods.'

<687/687hp 873/1154m 394/394mv 14156g><2pm (day) city (indoors)>vs.*none*
The Juggernaut says 'Cothagh nods.'
Northos stops stalking around.

<687/687hp 905/1154m 394/394mv 14156g><3pm (day) city (indoors)>vs.*none*
The Juggernaut says 'Thoom stops wielding a crude spear.'
The Juggernaut says 'Thoom wields a dead human wrapped in steel chains.'

<687/687hp 905/1154m 394/394mv 14156g><3pm (day) city (indoors)>vs.*none*
Northos sits down and begins to meditate.

<687/687hp 905/1154m 394/394mv 14156g><3pm (day) city (indoors)>vs.*none*
The Juggernaut says 'Cothagh scans all around.'

<687/687hp 905/1154m 394/394mv 14156g><3pm (day) city (indoors)>vs.*none*
The Juggernaut says 'Thoom becomes poised and ready for battle.'

<687/687hp 905/1154m 394/394mv 14156g><3pm (day) city (indoors)>vs.*none*
The Juggernaut says 'Cothagh scans all around.'

<687/687hp 905/1154m 394/394mv 14156g><3pm (day) city (indoors)>vs.*none* who
where
[ H-Elf ] Bunkint Darkfist the Composer
[ Stone ] <PK> [WARLORD] Thoom the Battlemaster
[50 Elf Inv] <PK> <SCHOLAR> (Dilettante) Duchess Ilromie Illistarre the Sage of Arcane Power
[ Human ] Northos the Seeker of Knowledge
[ Human ] <PK> <OATH> Cothagh Venator the Wrath of Nature
Players found: 5
[KNIGHT] Light shall prevail throughout the lands.
There are 5 characters on; the most on this past month was 19.

<687/687hp 905/1154m 394/394mv 14156g><3pm (day) city (indoors)>vs.*none*
Players near you in Seringale:
Bunkint Behind the Grand Curtain
<PK> Thoom Among thornbushes
<PK> Ilromie Entrance to the Arena of Blood
Northos Entrance to the Arena of Blood
<PK> Cothagh Among the thickets

<687/687hp 905/1154m 394/394mv 14156g><3pm (day) city (indoors)>vs.*none* who
where
[ H-Elf ] Bunkint Darkfist the Composer
[ Stone ] <PK> [WARLORD] Thoom the Battlemaster
[50 Elf Inv] <PK> <SCHOLAR> (Dilettante) Duchess Ilromie Illistarre the Sage of Arcane Power
[ Human ] Northos the Seeker of Knowledge
[ Human ] <PK> <OATH> Cothagh Venator the Wrath of Nature
Players found: 5
[KNIGHT] Light shall prevail throughout the lands.
There are 5 characters on; the most on this past month was 19.

<687/687hp 905/1154m 394/394mv 14156g><3pm (day) city (indoors)>vs.*none*
Thoom yells 'We begin?'
Players near you in Seringale:
Bunkint Behind the Grand Curtain
<PK> Thoom Among thornbushes
<PK> Ilromie Entrance to the Arena of Blood
Northos Entrance to the Arena of Blood
<PK> Cothagh Among the thickets

<687/687hp 905/1154m 394/394mv 14156g><3pm (day) city (indoors)>vs.*none*
The Juggernaut says 'Cothagh scans all around.'

Cothagh yells 'On the hour.'

<687/687hp 885/1154m 394/394mv 14156g><3pm (day) city (indoors)>vs.*none*
The Juggernaut says 'Thoom scans all around.'

<687/687hp 885/1154m 394/394mv 14156g><3pm (day) city (indoors)>vs.*none*
The Juggernaut says 'Cothagh scans all around.'

<687/687hp 885/1154m 394/394mv 14156g><3pm (day) city (indoors)>vs.*none*
[ H-Elf ] Bunkint Darkfist the Composer
[ Stone ] <PK> [WARLORD] Thoom the Battlemaster
[50 Elf Inv] <PK> <SCHOLAR> (Dilettante) Duchess Ilromie Illistarre the Sage of Arcane Power
[ Human ] Northos the Seeker of Knowledge
[ Human ] <PK> <OATH> Cothagh Venator the Wrath of Nature
Players found: 5
[KNIGHT] Light shall prevail throughout the lands.
There are 5 characters on; the most on this past month was 19.

<687/687hp 885/1154m 394/394mv 14156g><3pm (day) city (indoors)>vs.*none*
Players near you in Seringale:
Bunkint Behind the Grand Curtain
<PK> Thoom Among thornbushes
<PK> Ilromie Entrance to the Arena of Blood
Northos Entrance to the Arena of Blood
<PK> Cothagh Among the thickets

<687/687hp 885/1154m 394/394mv 14156g><3pm (day) city (indoors)>vs.*none*
The Juggernaut says 'Cothagh scans all around.'

<687/687hp 885/1154m 394/394mv 14156g><3pm (day) city (indoors)>vs.*none*
The Juggernaut says 'Cothagh scans all around.'

<687/687hp 885/1154m 394/394mv 14156g><3pm (day) city (indoors)>vs.*none* Now hunting Lerimar

The Juggernaut says 'Cothagh scans all around.'

<687/687hp 885/1154m 394/394mv 14156g><3pm (day) city (indoors)>vs.*none* who
where
[ H-Elf ] Bunkint Darkfist the Composer
[ Stone ] <PK> [WARLORD] Thoom the Battlemaster
[50 Elf Inv] <PK> <SCHOLAR> (Dilettante) Duchess Ilromie Illistarre the Sage of Arcane Power
[ Human ] Northos the Seeker of Knowledge
[ Human ] <PK> <OATH> Cothagh Venator the Wrath of Nature
Players found: 5
[KNIGHT] Light shall prevail throughout the lands.
There are 5 characters on; the most on this past month was 19.

<687/687hp 916/1154m 394/394mv 14156g><4pm (day) city (indoors)>vs.*none*
Players near you in Seringale:
Bunkint Behind the Grand Curtain
<PK> Thoom Among thornbushes
<PK> Ilromie Entrance to the Arena of Blood
Northos Entrance to the Arena of Blood
<PK> Cothagh Among the thickets

<687/687hp 916/1154m 394/394mv 14156g><4pm (day) city (indoors)>vs.*none*
The Juggernaut says 'Cothagh quaffs a purple potion.'
The Juggernaut says 'Cothagh is surrounded by a white aura.'

<687/687hp 916/1154m 394/394mv 14156g><4pm (day) city (indoors)>vs.*none*
The Juggernaut says 'Thoom scans all around.'

<687/687hp 916/1154m 394/394mv 14156g><4pm (day) city (indoors)>vs.*none*
The Juggernaut says 'Thoom turns Cothagh's attack against him.'
The Juggernaut says 'Thoom's beating DISEMBOWELS Cothagh!'
The Juggernaut says 'Cothagh's weapon advantage overcomes Thoom's parry attempt.'
The Juggernaut says 'Cothagh's tainted slash decimates Thoom!'
The Juggernaut says 'Cothagh's kiss of death devastates Thoom!'

<687/687hp 916/1154m 394/394mv 14156g><4pm (day) city (indoors)>vs.*none*
The Juggernaut says 'Cothagh's kiss of death devastates Thoom!'
The Juggernaut says 'Cothagh concentrates on his combat style to prevent Thoom from dodging.'
The Juggernaut says 'Cothagh's kiss of death maims Thoom!'
The Juggernaut says 'Cothagh's tainted slash decimates Thoom!'
The Juggernaut says 'Thoom's beating MUTILATES Cothagh!'
The Juggernaut says 'Thoom's beating MUTILATES Cothagh!'
The Juggernaut says 'Thoom has some small wounds and bruises and Cothagh has some small wounds and bruises.'

<687/687hp 916/1154m 394/394mv 14156g><4pm (day) city (indoors)>vs.*none*
The Juggernaut says 'Thoom is blinded by the dirt in his eyes!'
The Juggernaut says 'Cothagh's kicked dirt scratches Thoom.'

<687/687hp 916/1154m 394/394mv 14156g><4pm (day) city (indoors)>vs.*none*
The Juggernaut says 'Thoom has fled!'

<687/687hp 916/1154m 394/394mv 14156g><4pm (day) city (indoors)>vs.*none* now leading with cast metal

The Juggernaut says 'Cothagh scans all around.'

<687/687hp 916/1154m 394/394mv 14156g><4pm (day) city (indoors)>vs.*none* who
where
[ H-Elf ] Bunkint Darkfist the Composer
[ Stone ] <PK> [WARLORD] Thoom the Battlemaster
[50 Elf Inv] <PK> <SCHOLAR> (Dilettante) Duchess Ilromie Illistarre the Sage of Arcane Power
[ Human ] Northos the Seeker of Knowledge
[ Human ] <PK> <OATH> Cothagh Venator the Wrath of Nature
Players found: 5
[KNIGHT] Light shall prevail throughout the lands.
There are 5 characters on; the most on this past month was 19.

<687/687hp 916/1154m 394/394mv 14156g><4pm (day) city (indoors)>vs.*none*
Players near you in Seringale:
Bunkint Behind the Grand Curtain
<PK> Thoom A winding stream
<PK> Ilromie Entrance to the Arena of Blood
Northos Entrance to the Arena of Blood
<PK> Cothagh An overlook

<687/687hp 916/1154m 394/394mv 14156g><4pm (day) city (indoors)>vs.*none*
The Juggernaut says 'Cothagh scans all around.'

<687/687hp 916/1154m 394/394mv 14156g><4pm (day) city (indoors)>vs.*none* look

The Juggernaut says 'Thoom rubs the dirt out of his eyes, but they're still watering.'

<687/687hp 916/1154m 394/394mv 14156g><4pm (day) city (indoors)>vs.*none*
Entrance to the Arena of Blood
| You are at the entrance to Seringale's acclaimed fighting arena.
| This is where those who wish for a smaller battlegrounds come
o | to test their will, their courage and their metal against each
| | other. A huge iron trapdoor lies below, waiting to shut the
+-G @ | next victim inside its confines. You can leave this place back
| | | onto the North Road to the south, or you can head down and
+-+-+-+-+| take up the challenge. A sign on the wall outlines the rules
| | of the arena.
+ |
---------+

[Exits: south (down)]
There is a convenient table here.
Northos the Seeker of Knowledge is here.
The Juggernaut stands here with his arms folded across his chest.

<687/687hp 916/1154m 394/394mv 14156g><4pm (day) city (indoors)>vs.*none*
The Juggernaut says 'Cothagh scans all around.'

<687/687hp 916/1154m 394/394mv 14156g><4pm (day) city (indoors)>vs.*none* af
You are affected by the following:
Spell: detect invis : lasts for 34 hours
Spell: protective shield: lasts for 5 hours
Spell: sanctuary : modifies armor class by 75 for 5 hours
: lasts for 5 hours
Spell: barrier : lasts for 4 hours
Spell: weapon ward : lasts for 3 hours
Set : Crescent Moon : modifies luck by 2 permanently
: modifies health by 50 permanently
: modifies save vs afflictive by 10 permanently

<687/687hp 916/1154m 394/394mv 14156g><4pm (day) city (indoors)>vs.*none*
The Juggernaut says 'Thoom scans all around.'

<687/687hp 947/1154m 394/394mv 14156g><5pm (day) city (indoors)>vs.*none*
The Juggernaut says 'Cothagh scans all around.'

<687/687hp 947/1154m 394/394mv 14156g><5pm (day) city (indoors)>vs.*none* mten
You tear into your physical body.
Your mystic tendrils DISEMBOWEL you!
What a rush! You feel a surge of arcane energy.

<637/687hp 1082/1154m 394/394mv 14156g><5pm (day) city (indoors)>vs.*none*
The Juggernaut says 'Thoom scans all around.'

<637/687hp 1082/1154m 394/394mv 14156g><5pm (day) city (indoors)>vs.*none*
The Juggernaut says 'Thoom's eyes stop watering.'

<637/687hp 1082/1154m 394/394mv 14156g><5pm (day) city (indoors)>vs.*none*
The Juggernaut says 'Cothagh scans all around.'

<637/687hp 1082/1154m 394/394mv 14156g><5pm (day) city (indoors)>vs.*none*
The Juggernaut says 'Cothagh scans all around.'

<637/687hp 1082/1154m 394/394mv 14156g><5pm (day) city (indoors)>vs.*none*
The Juggernaut says 'Thoom stops using the warshield of Gonturan as a shield.'
The Juggernaut says 'Thoom tightens his grip around a dead human wrapped in steel chains.'

<637/687hp 1082/1154m 394/394mv 14156g><5pm (day) city (indoors)>vs.*none*
The Juggernaut says 'Thoom scans all around.'

<637/687hp 1082/1154m 394/394mv 14156g><5pm (day) city (indoors)>vs.*none*
The Juggernaut says 'Cothagh scans all around.'

<637/687hp 1082/1154m 394/394mv 14156g><5pm (day) city (indoors)>vs.*none* who
where
[ Stone ] <PK> [WARLORD] Thoom the Battlemaster
[50 Elf Inv] <PK> <SCHOLAR> (Dilettante) Duchess Ilromie Illistarre the Sage of Arcane Power
[ Human ] Northos the Seeker of Knowledge
[ Human ] <PK> <OATH> Cothagh Venator the Wrath of Nature
Players found: 4
[KNIGHT] Light shall prevail throughout the lands.
There are 4 characters on; the most on this past month was 19.

<637/687hp 1082/1154m 394/394mv 14156g><5pm (day) city (indoors)>vs.*none*
Players near you in Seringale:
<PK> Thoom A winding stream
<PK> Ilromie Entrance to the Arena of Blood
Northos Entrance to the Arena of Blood
<PK> Cothagh A winding stream

<637/687hp 1082/1154m 394/394mv 14156g><5pm (day) city (indoors)>vs.*none*
The Juggernaut says 'Thoom scans all around.'
The Juggernaut says 'Cothagh's kiss of death maims Thoom!'
The Juggernaut says 'Cothagh's wild kiss of death DISEMBOWELS Thoom!'
The Juggernaut says 'A large black panther's tackle misses Thoom.'

<637/687hp 1082/1154m 394/394mv 14156g><5pm (day) city (indoors)>vs.*none*
The Juggernaut says 'Cothagh's kiss of death misses Thoom.'
The Juggernaut says 'Cothagh's kiss of death devastates Thoom!'
The Juggernaut says 'Thoom's riposte MASSACRES a wild boar!'
The Juggernaut says 'Thoom's beating misses Cothagh.'
The Juggernaut says 'Thoom has quite a few wounds and Cothagh has some small wounds and bruises.'

<637/687hp 1082/1154m 394/394mv 14156g><5pm (day) city (indoors)>vs.*none*
The Juggernaut says 'Thoom surges with power.'
The Juggernaut says 'Thoom strikes Cothagh with his weapon and attempts to hobble him.'
The Juggernaut says 'Thoom's hobble mauls Cothagh.'
The Juggernaut says 'Cothagh clutches his leg painfully as he begins to hobble.'

<637/687hp 1082/1154m 394/394mv 14156g><5pm (day) city (indoors)>vs.*none*
The Juggernaut says 'Cothagh's kiss of death MUTILATES Thoom!'
The Juggernaut says 'Cothagh's kiss of death devastates Thoom!'
The Juggernaut says 'A large black panther's claw wounds Thoom.'
The Juggernaut says 'Thoom's weapon advantage overcomes Cothagh's parry attempt.'
The Juggernaut says 'Thoom's beating DISEMBOWELS Cothagh!'
The Juggernaut says 'Thoom's beating DISEMBOWELS Cothagh!'
The Juggernaut says 'Thoom has quite a few wounds and Cothagh has quite a few wounds.'

<637/687hp 1082/1154m 394/394mv 14156g><5pm (day) city (indoors)>vs.*none*
The Juggernaut says 'Cothagh stops wielding a tainted shadow.'
The Juggernaut says 'Cothagh wears the red dragon shield as a shield.'
The Juggernaut says 'Cothagh readies some ashen ranger javelins behind his shield.'

<637/687hp 1082/1154m 394/394mv 14156g><5pm (day) city (indoors)>vs.*none*
The Juggernaut says 'Cothagh spins about while launching a volley of javelins.'
The Juggernaut says 'Cothagh's shield arm is numbed.'
The Juggernaut says 'Cothagh's pierce hits Thoom.'
The Juggernaut says 'Cothagh's shield arm is numbed.'

<637/687hp 1082/1154m 394/394mv 14156g><5pm (day) city (indoors)>vs.*none*
The Juggernaut says 'A large black panther gets a wild look in its eyes.'

<637/687hp 1082/1154m 394/394mv 14156g><5pm (day) city (indoors)>vs.*none*
The Juggernaut says 'Cothagh's kiss of death devastates Thoom!'
The Juggernaut says 'Thoom's riposte maims Cothagh!'
The Juggernaut says 'Thoom's beating DISEMBOWELS Cothagh!'
The Juggernaut says 'Thoom has quite a few wounds and Cothagh has quite a few wounds.'

<637/687hp 1082/1154m 394/394mv 14156g><5pm (day) city (indoors)>vs.*none*
The Juggernaut says 'Thoom relaxes his grip on his weapon.'
The Juggernaut says 'Thoom wields the Eviscerator in his off-hand.'
The Juggernaut says 'The white aura around Cothagh fades.'
The town clock tolls once as the evening begins.

<646/687hp 1125/1154m 394/394mv 14156g><6pm (day) city (indoors)>vs.*none*
The Juggernaut says 'Thoom hammers Cothagh's shield repeatedly with his weapons.'
The Juggernaut says 'Thoom's barrage maims Cothagh!'
The Juggernaut says 'Cothagh's shield arm is numbed.'
The Juggernaut says 'Thoom's barrage devastates Cothagh!'
The Juggernaut says 'Cothagh's shield arm is numbed.'
The Juggernaut says 'Thoom's barrage injures Cothagh.'
The Juggernaut says 'Cothagh's shield arm is numbed.'
The Juggernaut says 'Thoom's barrage devastates Cothagh!'

<646/687hp 1125/1154m 394/394mv 14156g><6pm (day) city (indoors)>vs.*none*
The Juggernaut says 'Thoom's riposte DISMEMBERS Cothagh!'
The Juggernaut says 'Thoom's weapon advantage overcomes Cothagh's parry attempt.'
The Juggernaut says 'Thoom's beating MASSACRES Cothagh!'
The Juggernaut says 'Thoom's beating MANGLES Cothagh!'
The Juggernaut says 'Thoom's beating MANGLES Cothagh!'
The Juggernaut says 'Thoom has quite a few wounds and Cothagh is in awful condition.'

<646/687hp 1125/1154m 394/394mv 14156g><6pm (day) city (indoors)>vs.*none*
The Juggernaut says 'Cothagh tries to disarm Thoom, but fails.'

<646/687hp 1125/1154m 394/394mv 14156g><6pm (day) city (indoors)>vs.*none*
The Juggernaut says 'Cothagh stops hobbling around.'
The Juggernaut says 'Cothagh's kiss of death decimates Thoom!'
The Juggernaut says 'Cothagh's kiss of death devastates Thoom!'
The Juggernaut says 'Thoom's beating MASSACRES Cothagh!'
The Juggernaut says 'Thoom has quite a few wounds and Cothagh is bleeding to death.'
[WARLORD] the Juggernaut: 'Thoom has claimed victory over Cothagh.'
The Juggernaut says 'Thoom has claimed victory over Cothagh.'
[WARLORD] the Juggernaut: 'The duel lasted 2 minutes and 34 seconds.'
The Juggernaut says 'The duel lasted 2 minutes and 34 seconds.'
3000 gold coins has been handed to you.
The Juggernaut says 'Thoom stops short of a killing blow.'
The Juggernaut says 'Cothagh is mortally wounded!!'

<646/687hp 1125/1154m 394/394mv 17156g><6pm (day) city (indoors)>vs.*none* wince
You wince in agony.

<646/687hp 1125/1154m 394/394mv 17156g><6pm (day) city (indoors)>vs.*none*
The Juggernaut says 'Cothagh's shield arm looks better.'

<646/687hp 1125/1154m 394/394mv 17156g><6pm (day) city (indoors)>vs.*none*
Northos agrees absolutely.

<646/687hp 1125/1154m 394/394mv 17156g><6pm (day) city (indoors)>vs.*none*
The Juggernaut says 'Thoom sits down and thinks deeply.'

<646/687hp 1125/1154m 394/394mv 17156g><6pm (day) city (indoors)>vs.*none*
The Juggernaut says 'Thoom looks at Cothagh.'

<646/687hp 1125/1154m 394/394mv 17156g><6pm (day) city (indoors)>vs.*none*
Northos says 'Quite the finish.'

Comments

  1. yeah, poor time for sanctuary to fall. I did not even notice the panther had arrived until the duel was over, either.
      [reply to Cothagh]
    1. So, Thoom is double gripped/overbeared and Cothagh switches to a shield and throws a volley. He is combat style superior but his shield arm gets numbed because he uses volley?
      Is that right?
      1. Does seem weird. Looks like he was hobbled but that shouldn't affect the shield arm.
      2. the only thing I can think of is this: overbear makes it so when you parry an attack from a dual wielded (offhand) weapon they get shield arm numbness. So Thoom parries two javelin throws, which are counting as offhand attacks and making the shield arm get numbed.

        Whether or not that is intended interaction I couldn't say. But I think that's what is happening.
      3. Hmm we have a similar situation with being able to riposte arrows from bows. That doesn't particularly make sense either, as these are ranged attacks. They are both minor effects, although that can be fight-deciding. We can probably live without those extra affects for realism's sake
      4. Would you like me to check and see if I have my side of the duel among my logs? I have been creating daily logs lately.
      [reply to hamsandwich]
    2. Thats consistent with HELP OVERBEAR so I think you are right. I wonder if there is no echo or if it just didnt get reported by Juggy.
        [reply to Vevier]

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