My life begins, so I am told deep within the familiar forest of Emerald. As a young child I remember the enchanting pixies and the intriguing brownies and how they made bows from daisies, but the wonders of the forest also displayed the cruelty from others. Many travelers always stared at me whispering he has the mark of the beast. Many times I asked my mother what they would refer to, and she simply explained that when I am ready, I will know the true meaning. My mother and father left me as soon as they taught me to butcher corpses for food and showed me the various sources of water within the beautiful forest. At the time I did not know why they left, but as I grew older I saw the necessity and the awful sacrifice they had to make. Now the benefits within the forest without parental supervision were immense. Farmer Griff and I would toast to anything and everything, and we will not discuss the incidents with the various nymphs within the forest. One night I was stumbling around the forest and bumped in a large grizzly bear, fell on my face and slept till morning. A cold rush of water was dumped on my head and he motioned for me to follow him. Groggy and with a splitting head ache I obliged hoping he was taking me to breakfast, but to my surprise he took me to a spring and motioned for me to look into it. To my horror I saw what I had become, disheveled, dirty and a poor excuse for a man. He handed me a bow and pointed to the sky. Leaves descended upon me in that very instant and I felt in-tune with nature. I left my debaucherous ways after one last bath with a few nymphs and proceeded to find someone to teach me what my parents left me to learn on my own.
Description:
Rounded ears and large hazel eyes compliment the bronze skin of the man before you. A long, thin braided strand of beard hangs from the tip of his chin down to his chest. The beard violently sways back and forth as he heavily pants, trying to catch his breath. Two squinty eyes, apparently irritated by the sunlight, His high cheekbones are framed by his square jaw. Some stubble is present on his skin with minor bumps about his face. As he notices your attention, his shoulders square and stands at attention. His thin body is clothed in only the most basic attire. Thick pants and a sleeveless shirt, both of black cloth, cover his armor. A woolen cloak reaches almost to the ground and is clasped at the front with a nondescript catch.
So this was by far the worst ar experience I ever had. I made this character to be the one character to make up for all the keepers that I had in the passed.I did my best to play it without any ego and really tried to not get too high or too low over any interactions. Unfortunately that just wasn't possible. What didn't work well for me is seeing everyone running around with a tattoo, but me. I was very very excited about this change and I really looked forward to getting one. It seems the only bone I was thrown was olyn renaming my pet. By not getting that tattoo irked me, but after a while I didn't really care because I was losing interest in the game. Now being one of the most active players and certainly the most active keeper I had the opportunity to fight a lot of people win some and lose some. I really did get tired of the rinse repeat play style of people like Mkatos but that really doesn't matter since legion will always be run the same. Run and hide, use advantages whenever possible.
The reason why I killed Thodun and got outcasted was simple, Crisbin was promoted to rank 4 which I do not have a problem with you can see the logs on invokation that bards are no joke especially in keepers and he seems to know what he is doing anyway. What put me over the edge is that Thodun said Hrimoyan had a hunch about me and that I have a temper. So that was it for me, that told me Hrimoyan already pegged me as Ozuru the perpetual keeper fail and I wasn't given a fair shake with this char. So why even bother, I didn't want this character to end up this way but maybe its for the best. If you aren't wanted why keep trying to get into the party.
On a lighter note I can't say I had any good interactions with people except for Vella that justice and Azania the illusionist, I hope you guys are still playing in some form. To everyone else that I fought or interacted with Ravinah as I said in game, you are better than me "not saying much" but you never acted like a dick which was great. Rheloth it seemed I just had your number, you were cool though I liked how you play. Thodun I think you were doing a decent job as a leader by no means did I think I could do better, I deleted because the spirit of this char was a keeper when I decided to kill you I was upset about Hrimoyan so sorry for it. And if what you said isn't true about Hrimoyan then jokes on me right!!! lol
It's really not difficult to figure out who you play. When's the last time you've had something other than a werebeast Keeper? Roll up something new, something exciting (illithid illusionist is my hobby horse of a throwaway fun race/class combo). Even if you don't like playing a new class, you get a whole new perspective on them when you play them. You learn what their weaknesses are because people will exploit them, you'll see that weakness and then take advantage of it in the future.
When you went berserk and started turning on your own Keepers, that just proved everyone right about you. If you hear that one of the imms has a hunch (aka knows who you play because they're all the same), why did you decide to do the one thing that everyone expected you to do? If you want to prove that you're ready for more responsibilities and respect, then take the high road no matter the cost.
I think your pride is what gets you into trouble and you shouldn't take things personally. As my boy Epictetus says: "If you are fond of a jug, say you are fond of a jug." He actually did say that, but as a Greek stoic, something relevant that he talked about was realizing that the only thing you have control over is your actions and mindset. You have no power over who gets tattoos, or leader, or chieftan. Realize that while you can do your best to place yourself in a good position to attain those thing, the decision is ultimately not up to you and take it in stride.
I can't say that I'm fond of your track record of werebeast ranger Keepers, but it seems like every time you delete it's for some similar reason of you expecting/thinking you should get something and having it not pan out. To wax philosophical on life, I think the Stones said it best: [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIX0ZDqDljA[/url]
[quote:afa6019e09="Mkatos"][quote:afa6019e09="Ergorion"]As my boy Epictetus says: "If you are fond of a jug, say you are fond of a jug." [/quote:afa6019e09]
You are right about the fact that I should have taken the high road, I had multiple talks with an immortal about my concerns with not getting a fair shake and he assured me that imms don't hold anything in the past against the current player which is what upset me. Maybe I should not have been so gullible to believe that not that I think he was lying but it is just human nature. If I shit on your carpet 3 times, you aren't going to let me in your house on my 4th attempt right? As far as playing something else, id like to but we will see I have some real life things I have been putting off for this game that maybe its time to take a little break.
It was pretty obvious who you were when you began playing Kushtok. Over the course of you playing I thought you mellowed out quite a bit. Acted less like your past rangers. My interactions with you brief as they were, were always good. Sucks that things happened the way they did, but Ergo is right. Try something less obviously you. You always play Beast Rangers, play something NOT a ranger and mix it up. Wish you luck on your next.
Ah! Should have stuck with it. You were doing a damn fine job for the most part. It does suck having to fight the top 2 players literally the entire time but I think with every death you learn something even if just a little. At least I learn. I've learn not to screw with Mkatos.
[quote:911b7b4ac7="Ozaru"] What didn't work well for me is seeing everyone running around with a tattoo, but me. I was very very excited about this change and I really looked forward to getting one. It seems the only bone I was thrown was olyn renaming my pet. By not getting that tattoo irked me, but after a while I didn't really care because I was losing interest in the game.[/quote:911b7b4ac7]
You probably did deserve a tattoo if you worshiped Diocletian or Odoacer. You certainly would have made either of those gods proud. We're still working with the Mystics to develop the religion stuff, so it was probably a case of bad timing. We were proactive in getting the tattoos out at launch, but that process has stagnated a bit. Ozaru, you may find some enjoyment in making a Mystic yourself and helping to get the religions where we want them to be.
I knew you were having trouble with this char and I watched you get progressively more and more pissed off. I really wish I could have helped, but I just can't give roleplay rewards like tattoos and alignment changes to someone who isn't roleplaying much at all.
I don't understand why you felt you were entitled to a tattoo. What you do is you log in and check your pk range. If there's someone to kill you go attack them, immediately. If there's nobody to kill you log out. Kushtok really had no interaction with other players outside this. You didn't really have friends or enemies, you didn't present any personal traits or beliefs, and you weren't particularly religious. There was simply no way to give you roleplay rewards. I tried. Can't do it, man. There's nothing to work with.
Likewise, changing alignments or turning on your cabal or having a coup are things that take time. The imms can't just wave a magic wand and have it happen. Your character is going to have to have his low point before he can have his high point. You're gonna get outcast and hunted down and probably have to deal with losing some class skills and taking a few deaths. It's gonna take a week or two, and you have to interact with other players so everyone gets a good feel for what's going on.
Yeah I don't really sit around talking to people its not like I didn't have an opportunity. I did play poker with Rimera and someone else once but that was fun for about 2 min and I just quit out. I do appreciate what you tried to do Nycticora but I am masochistic I keep going back to keepers hoping to make a really respectable one and I just can't lol. After my break I will try and make a knight because Ceridwel is pretty active as an imm which is always nice. Hopefully my break lasts longer than this weekend...... But I promise it won't be a werebeast ranger
I had many interactions with Kushtok across many characters, and I will say that I agree with the lack of roleplay...He was either trying to kill someone, or leaving. He was obviously skilled at the ways of a ranger, and fought well. I was kind of happy to see him go crazy towards the end, but I really had hoped he was going to stick with it, and either become evil, or possibly develop some kind of story. A shame to see you go, look forward to seeing how you do on something else, after your break. Don't be afraid to take the time to talk, instead of all murder all the time.
I liked Kushtok. I honestly did. However, your "old" ways have had a way of manifesting themselves even when, or especially when, you think you're doing a good job. He had moments in game, and yes I was around a lot more than I appeared to be, where you would revert to your tantrum ways. While I don't like the way Thodun presented my thoughts, as they weren't truly accurate, you ended up proving me right anyway.
As anyone that's been here a decent amount of time can probably tell I take KEEPER and its leadership rather seriously. Anyone considerable for leadership has undergone a few tests and not all of them were they aware of, and this has typically resulted in successful leaders. Kushtok had a test as well.
I knew Kushtok to be a strong fighter, impatient, and because of that opportunistic and self-entitled. He was a good soldier, but good soldiers don't necessarily make good leaders. I needed to see if he could withstand a humbling moment. Kushtok failed that moment miserably, even if somewhat due to an inaccurate explanation that fed into your (as a player) preconceived notions that I had it out for you. I didn't peg you as anything, those thoughts you shared in your post earlier are your thoughts that you think I have about you. Yours. As the player who has had the most Keepers in this game, you really think I'd keep letting you back in the cabal in the first place if I didn't hope somewhere that you'd have matured "this time"?
Kushtok attacked Thodun because he did not get the Chieftain spot he felt entitled to and threw a temper tantrum. I'm not really going to accept any other deflection as reason for that action.
To clear the air as what Thodun was trying to infer from what I instructed him was that I told him to consult with me before making any promotion to Chieftain. He named Crisbin on his own, I gave him the go ahead and I wanted to see how you would react. In much earlier times we discussed some actions of yours that were deemed worthy of keeping an eye on. Thodun never discussed with me about promoting you, as a LOT of time passed between my instruction and his tapping of Crisbin. If he felt that and your main dedication only being to PK were enough to consider Crisbin, who actively interacts with our applicants and performs a lot more stewardship for the cabal, for the job then so be it.
Thodun is the product of a two Chieftain system. He and Adrieradune were Jaux's last wishes as far as who would be next to lead between them. I was looking to establish this legacy a bit more, and have Thodun carry on the same work. There are literally two Chieftain spots and Kushtok reacted this horribly to Crisbin getting the first nod. Kush caused all the subsequent fallout on his own. Thodun was even forgiving after Kush attacked him the 1st time for reasons I don't agree with, but you continued on anyway.
I actually had discussion with Nyct with how your story could continue if you were really trying to RP yourself as abandoning our ways and turning to the dark side, that you would continue. Nyct has been doing some awesome things on the RP side. I wanted to see it, but you were going to have a Keeper target on your back because no one has been oust in such a way before now.
I honestly believe you will reach that moment of ascending beyond that current breaking point of yours, but you still have some ways to go. You need to own your actions holding you back and not play them off as being bored or someone had it out for you. I will say you've progressed because you could have raged out a lot earlier with this character. You tried and I can respect that.
While it's truly a lot easier to just peg these kinds of things to the player, I do actually try to separate these kinds of things to the particular character and leave it at that as long as no game rule violations are involved. We've been doing this dance over the course of around 4 years Ozaru. Your Keeper characters and the history of how they were received are in these graveyard forum pages. I've been incredibly patient, and I still am. Good luck in the future.
Reading what you wrote annoys me because he lied to me. I only reacted the way I did because he said you had a hunch about me. Had he been a man about it and said I felt Crisbin was a better choice then so be it. I can't say that I would have taken the humbling moment well or not because that is the past, but I ultimately just lost it because he put words in your mouth which is what I did not want to happen.
I will say that I do not like how you run the cabal, silent tests like that just make me I can't speak for anyone else feel like no one cares or you aren't around. I have made this clear on almost every single keeper I have ever had. One time, just one time Hey kushtok keep up the good work. For the record if you want to bring up instances that you didn't like about my behavior I never liked how thodun wanted to gank people that he couldn't kill solo. His leadership got me killed at least 3 times. I cannot take credit for all the deathmark kills cuz some people just bent over and took it, but I had a good amount of kills to get your attention to say or do something. To say that crisbin actively interacts with applicants and I don't is simply untrue. I may have never wrote about it, but I did talk to 2 of the 4 applicants on multiple occasions telling them not to give up on entry because it will take a while.
You should know better than anyone that no one applies to be a keeper except me ergorion and maybe 2 other people that are serious applicants every single other one goes inactive really fast. I don't know what you consider stewardship but by being the most active member the one who donated over 500k gold should at least get some communication. I was really hoping to get that out of you on this character of my 240 hours spent I would have to say 160 was pure keeper and pretty decent keeper mentality at that (75) hours training and ranking. You spoke to me once or twice I don't even think you inducted me.
I wish I had kept the log of the communication between Thodun and I, oh by the way after I killed him once, he was the one that started the second fight. He overhanded me while sleeping, he was just pissed and embarrassed that he couldn't kill me. As far as turning to the dark side I really didn't want to do that, when all the passwords got stolen and before I killed thodun I actually wanted to rp to be a knight. I sent a tell to ceridwel because i just wanted to resign from being a keeper since I got tired of just fighting legion for no real reason other than death mark. Unfortunately he never responded and this is the sad ending for my character. Can't chance it now, nor would i want to.
Hey now! I said I inferred that meant I had a hunch about him not liking you (kushtok) He never said don't promote Kushtok directly but as it was Crisbin wasn't even 3rd rank and you were the only 3rd rank it would be logical to infer that he was speaking specifically towards you. That said you were a great fighter and I commended you on SEVERAL occasions as such. All the times I said to gank it was becuase "An Immortal" had told me to double team Mkatos. I don't like double teaming at all. And the time I died To mkatos in armageddon sanc. I died while you were around. After that Some "Immortal" told me to gank him. I did so with that thief Keeper we had too.
You never once asked why you I thought Crisbin deserved it. I have the log I kept it. You only asked why you DIDN'T get it. Mkatos got inducted and forsaken in less than a month (Legion works on killing system and Mkatos kicks ass) Also got a Tat and has 2 different unique Titles. I was a Chieftain of a vacant Leader role for what 3months. Fynth gets leader 2 weeks after Eloret gets imm'd. I never bitched about it. I think I sent Hryimoran(I can never remember your name) once about it all. Also the only reason I lost to you was because the combat system for defensive over two-handed had defensive as inferior over two-handed that's why I switched to a two-handed weapon to be even with you. That said it failed miserably since then it has been fixed so no worries. Also I liked you and I even told you how to fix it and I was much more forgiving then I should have been.
Next Char (Bard Knight/Legion) Knight's can gamble real cheaply but Legion just so you can be a sneaky full PK drow. Just have to master the Phoenix. Much Love Good luck with the next char you make. (Any Typo's can be chalked up to a fair nights worth of drinkin) And ousting myself as Thodun is irrelevant since I don't have many chars in the graveyard that I have even owned up to.
either ur drunk or stupid crisbin was 3rd rank, post the log then to show the truth your words he had a hunch about you and my temper. You lost because you don't know which side to wear a shield and you still post logs with your mini map on.
[quote:43954def19="Rensumi"]"An Immortal" had told me to double team Mkatos[/quote:43954def19]
fyi this was me
All you guys are getting wiped all over the street. The top 2 rated killers have been two Legions since January, and I still see you putzes attacking Justices while Mkatos is hovering around you in the background like a bubbly little kid with a balloon being completely ignored. You just absolutely refuse to unleash the beast, like you're too proud for it or something, and then wonder why the people you're letting run the place are still running the place.
I used to get chased out of the Justice cabal by Warlords and all sorts of crazy shit when Legion got out of control. Now you finally have imm support to 'protect the balance' and all that hogwash, and you're just catching minnows and ignoring the big fish.
Again, why do you feel entitled to anything from me outside of keeping the cabal functional? You didn't join a cabal to be coddled by its Immortal right? You've been asking for this attention all throughout your characters' over this time. You have to be able to see this from a different point of view. Someone who regulars my cabal and consistently rages, somehow feels entitled to demanding attention from me.. do you know how ridiculous that sounds? Why would I put additional time and effort into someone like that? I need people who want to serve and fight for our cause whether I'm there or not. Not to mention you've had mortal leadership (members of higher rank than you) the entire career of Kushtok. I can make an empathized guess of your needs, but I'm not responsible for servicing that aspect for you. Balanced mind, balanced heart, you have to be able to weather things on your own and encourage yourself. Especially for things you voluntarily sign up for.
I just need you to fully understand that this is your doing. No one made you attack Thodun period. If you felt you were cheated, or felt like it was my doing of you not getting promoted, you could have asked me about it later. Pretty sure my most impacting characters in this game have all undergone some form of slight at one point or another. It's about having grit man. Your base attitude kicked in. This attitude has followed you your entire player career up this point. This attitude has undone you with every character. It has been commented on throughout your characters' GY posts, I've actually went ahead and checked this morning. It's all there.
I know it's uncomfortable having a mirror held up to you on this kind of platform, but I really need you to not shut your eyes and get defensive this time. You are going to find yourself here over and over and over and over again until you acknowledge the problem rests with you.
I can kind of relate to where you are Ozaru. You realize I have had 27 cabal characters? It took me a long time to get over my own self importance. A lot of things happened throughout my time in AR, most of it was my own doing. Of those do you realize that 16 of them made it to 4th rank in the cabal they were in. Anyone who knows who I am knows how many times I have made it beyond 4th rank. It sure isn't very many. For a long while I walked around with a feeling of entitlement. As far as I was concerned I was the Mortal leader since there was not someone higher ranked then me and I felt that I should have had the position. In one instance I deleted shortly before I would have gotten it (LOLZ) all the rest (with the exception of like 3 who had mortal leaders at the time) I didn't get it because in some way I screwed up, got frustrated and deleted. At those times, I felt that it was not my fault that other people were to blame because of quote unquote holding my history of ooc against me.(I know that that wasn't actually happening) You know what it took to move past that and be a better player? I stopped making characters saying oh I am going to be leader! Instead I made characters that I said, hrm what do I want this character to be known for? How do I want to rp? I created the personalities of my characters (yeah I know a lot of the time they are somewhat similar), and focused purely on that and on what was important to the character rather then some notion that I deserved it. In the end it has made me a lot more patient, as well as I have had so much more fun on my characters. You should try that. Make a character, forget all about rank, it doesn't matter. Set goals for your character. I want to be like this, or I want to be like that. Do it and stick with it. Sit back and watch the results.
I am not saying I disagree with you Hrimoyan, Oz seems like a rather hot headed individual and sometimes past actions do deserve to be taken into account, especially when it comes to something as important as mortal leadership of a cabal.
However; You are contradicting yourself. You said you didn't hold him back because of his past behavior, it was just because of his past behavior. Or at least, you wanted to test him based upon that.
Again, I've no problem judging a "person" who plays a character by past actions. Sometimes people need to prove they are worth the time that it takes to invest in them. Obviously, it is a game and there is a certain amount of "Okay, this is your sixty-seventh last chance. Get it right." that happens.
OZ. If I were you, I'd make a character who has a sole RP objective of being some Leaders right hand man/woman. Do everything you can to make everyone believe you are leadership material and than... and this is important... Turn It Down. What you accomplish by this will enhance other peoples image of you and that is more important than people think.
Oh, and I'll add before anyone else jumps me to it, I've had more than my fair share of deletes at a high level in a cabal. I should have stuck it out, I am always irritated that I did not, but that doesn't change anything. I've been passed over for leadership before and it stinks. However, that is the way the game is and I had to figure this next part out on my own... Other people do shit too. They deserve cool titles too. That doesn't mean you don't, but it isn't about what other people get, it's about what you deserve. Plain and simple.
[quote:11222b0ad3="Faelon"]I am not saying I disagree with you Hrimoyan, Oz seems like a rather hot headed individual and sometimes past actions do deserve to be taken into account, especially when it comes to something as important as mortal leadership of a cabal.
However; You are contradicting yourself. You said you didn't hold him back because of his past behavior, it was just because of his past behavior. Or at least, you wanted to test him based upon that.
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If you look at the wording of my initial post, I was testing Kushtok based on that specific character's underlying attitude, made obvious through some of Kushtok (the character's) actions. I made it a point to continue saying Kushtok when I was discussing that point for this reason. It just happens to be that the player manifests this with every character he's played in Keeper.
Also, again, I didn't hold him back. I was never asked if it was ok to promote him. Thodun as the leader of the cabal made a judgement call. I backed it. The irony is that had Kush responded humbly upon finding out and just congratulating Crisbin, he'd probably have the second spot not too long after. I need people to not miss this point.
I also disagree with that advice of making a character solely to be someone's right hand man. You need to play for yourself, not someone else.
[quote:f4ad52d640="Hrimoyan"][quote:f4ad52d640="Faelon"]I am not saying I disagree with you Hrimoyan, Oz seems like a rather hot headed individual and sometimes past actions do deserve to be taken into account, especially when it comes to something as important as mortal leadership of a cabal.
However; You are contradicting yourself. You said you didn't hold him back because of his past behavior, it was just because of his past behavior. Or at least, you wanted to test him based upon that.
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If you look at the wording of my initial post, I was testing Kushtok based on that specific character's underlying attitude, made obvious through some of Kushtok (the character's) actions. I made it a point to continue saying Kushtok when I was discussing that point for this reason. It just happens to be that the player manifests this with every character he's played in Keeper.
Also, again, I didn't hold him back. I was never asked if it was ok to promote him. Thodun as the leader of the cabal made a judgement call. I backed it. The irony is that had Kush responded humbly upon finding out and just congratulating Crisbin, he'd probably have the second spot not too long after. I need people to not miss this point.
I also disagree with that advice of making a character solely to be someone's right hand man. You need to play for yourself, not someone else.[/quote:f4ad52d640]
Back in Legion with Ikaork and Graulog vying for the rank 4 spot, Graulog got lucky as shit in the duels and won the spot. But Ikaork had confidence in himself and stuck with it and did get that rank 4 spot as well just a little bit later. There are 2 rank four spots. If there are just two of you "vying" for it, you're both probably going to get it provided you don't fuck up too bad.
My minimap is like my security blanket I don't need it but I can't help but hold onto it. Also He wasn't rank 3 when I was promoted to leader promoting him to rank 3 was one of the first things I did when I was leader. So using the powers of deduction it meant he wanted more FROM you. Now I know why Dispater is so angry all the time dealing with babies like you is why I have played but never made a forum account. I think you would make a great Legion, Kill everyone you can rp having your tongue ripped out so you don't have to talk much and when you do talk it is strained and just be a great killer. You can kill your way to leader in no time. Since people can't deny you a duel if you have never dueled them before.
I am not really interested in quoting back and forth with you, to be honest. I read your statements differently Hrimoyan. If I misinterpreted you, you've my apologies.
Also, my suggestion is on the basis of the fact that nobody forgets past actions. Based on that, in my opinion, he should prove that he can sit in a second spot for as long as possible in an RP role, not focused on the top job.
Or, I suppose, you could have everyone RP'ing every person for themselves.
maybe you should read this Faelon. Ozaru probably could benefit from it too. I thought this kind of behaviour was rare among pkers, but apparently I was wrong.
When someone says "Kushtok" they are NOT talking about Ozaru the player, they are talking about Kushtok the character. There is NO hypocrisy in the following:
"I think Kushtok has a bad attitude and is likely to freak out. I do not expect Ozaru to have a bad attitude."
[quote:4db3ea1422="Rensumi"]My minimap is like my security blanket I don't need it but I can't help but hold onto it. Also He wasn't rank 3 when I was promoted to leader promoting him to rank 3 was one of the first things I did when I was leader. So using the powers of deduction it meant he wanted more FROM you. Now I know why Dispater is so angry all the time dealing with babies like you is why I have played but never made a forum account. I think you would make a great Legion, Kill everyone you can rp having your tongue ripped out so you don't have to talk much and when you do talk it is strained and just be a great killer. You can kill your way to leader in no time. Since people can't deny you a duel if you have never dueled them before.[/quote:4db3ea1422]
I'd love to see Ozaru try a Legion. Personally I think he's grown a bit too accustomed to having the easy-button werebeast Keeper ranger who can get up to top killing speed very quickly with just treant thews and some forged weapons. If I were a betting man, which I am sometimes, but I won't bet on this, it's just an expression. If I were a betting man, I would bet that Ozaru would struggle a bit with a Legion and wouldn't be able to duel his way into leadership. Perhaps a challenge to be accepted?
[reply to Ergorion]
The reason why I killed Thodun and got outcasted was simple, Crisbin was promoted to rank 4 which I do not have a problem with you can see the logs on invokation that bards are no joke especially in keepers and he seems to know what he is doing anyway. What put me over the edge is that Thodun said Hrimoyan had a hunch about me and that I have a temper. So that was it for me, that told me Hrimoyan already pegged me as Ozuru the perpetual keeper fail and I wasn't given a fair shake with this char. So why even bother, I didn't want this character to end up this way but maybe its for the best. If you aren't wanted why keep trying to get into the party.
On a lighter note I can't say I had any good interactions with people except for Vella that justice and Azania the illusionist, I hope you guys are still playing in some form. To everyone else that I fought or interacted with Ravinah as I said in game, you are better than me "not saying much" but you never acted like a dick which was great. Rheloth it seemed I just had your number, you were cool though I liked how you play. Thodun I think you were doing a decent job as a leader by no means did I think I could do better, I deleted because the spirit of this char was a keeper when I decided to kill you I was upset about Hrimoyan so sorry for it. And if what you said isn't true about Hrimoyan then jokes on me right!!! lol
[reply to Ozaru]
When you went berserk and started turning on your own Keepers, that just proved everyone right about you. If you hear that one of the imms has a hunch (aka knows who you play because they're all the same), why did you decide to do the one thing that everyone expected you to do? If you want to prove that you're ready for more responsibilities and respect, then take the high road no matter the cost.
I think your pride is what gets you into trouble and you shouldn't take things personally. As my boy Epictetus says: "If you are fond of a jug, say you are fond of a jug." He actually did say that, but as a Greek stoic, something relevant that he talked about was realizing that the only thing you have control over is your actions and mindset. You have no power over who gets tattoos, or leader, or chieftan. Realize that while you can do your best to place yourself in a good position to attain those thing, the decision is ultimately not up to you and take it in stride.
I can't say that I'm fond of your track record of werebeast ranger Keepers, but it seems like every time you delete it's for some similar reason of you expecting/thinking you should get something and having it not pan out. To wax philosophical on life, I think the Stones said it best: [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIX0ZDqDljA[/url]
[reply to Ergorion]
I am fond of jugs
[reply to Mkatos]
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Seconded.
[reply to Eloret]
[reply to Ozaru]
[reply to Nadrin]
[reply to Faelon]
[reply to Rensumi]
You probably did deserve a tattoo if you worshiped Diocletian or Odoacer. You certainly would have made either of those gods proud. We're still working with the Mystics to develop the religion stuff, so it was probably a case of bad timing. We were proactive in getting the tattoos out at launch, but that process has stagnated a bit. Ozaru, you may find some enjoyment in making a Mystic yourself and helping to get the religions where we want them to be.
[reply to Olyn]
I don't understand why you felt you were entitled to a tattoo. What you do is you log in and check your pk range. If there's someone to kill you go attack them, immediately. If there's nobody to kill you log out. Kushtok really had no interaction with other players outside this. You didn't really have friends or enemies, you didn't present any personal traits or beliefs, and you weren't particularly religious. There was simply no way to give you roleplay rewards. I tried. Can't do it, man. There's nothing to work with.
Likewise, changing alignments or turning on your cabal or having a coup are things that take time. The imms can't just wave a magic wand and have it happen. Your character is going to have to have his low point before he can have his high point. You're gonna get outcast and hunted down and probably have to deal with losing some class skills and taking a few deaths. It's gonna take a week or two, and you have to interact with other players so everyone gets a good feel for what's going on.
[reply to Nycticora]
[reply to Grunchel]
[reply to Ozaru]
[reply to Ergorion]
[reply to Nadrin]
[reply to Nycticora]
[reply to Kornhole]
As anyone that's been here a decent amount of time can probably tell I take KEEPER and its leadership rather seriously. Anyone considerable for leadership has undergone a few tests and not all of them were they aware of, and this has typically resulted in successful leaders. Kushtok had a test as well.
I knew Kushtok to be a strong fighter, impatient, and because of that opportunistic and self-entitled. He was a good soldier, but good soldiers don't necessarily make good leaders. I needed to see if he could withstand a humbling moment. Kushtok failed that moment miserably, even if somewhat due to an inaccurate explanation that fed into your (as a player) preconceived notions that I had it out for you. I didn't peg you as anything, those thoughts you shared in your post earlier are your thoughts that you think I have about you. Yours. As the player who has had the most Keepers in this game, you really think I'd keep letting you back in the cabal in the first place if I didn't hope somewhere that you'd have matured "this time"?
Kushtok attacked Thodun because he did not get the Chieftain spot he felt entitled to and threw a temper tantrum. I'm not really going to accept any other deflection as reason for that action.
To clear the air as what Thodun was trying to infer from what I instructed him was that I told him to consult with me before making any promotion to Chieftain. He named Crisbin on his own, I gave him the go ahead and I wanted to see how you would react. In much earlier times we discussed some actions of yours that were deemed worthy of keeping an eye on. Thodun never discussed with me about promoting you, as a LOT of time passed between my instruction and his tapping of Crisbin. If he felt that and your main dedication only being to PK were enough to consider Crisbin, who actively interacts with our applicants and performs a lot more stewardship for the cabal, for the job then so be it.
Thodun is the product of a two Chieftain system. He and Adrieradune were Jaux's last wishes as far as who would be next to lead between them. I was looking to establish this legacy a bit more, and have Thodun carry on the same work. There are literally two Chieftain spots and Kushtok reacted this horribly to Crisbin getting the first nod. Kush caused all the subsequent fallout on his own. Thodun was even forgiving after Kush attacked him the 1st time for reasons I don't agree with, but you continued on anyway.
I actually had discussion with Nyct with how your story could continue if you were really trying to RP yourself as abandoning our ways and turning to the dark side, that you would continue. Nyct has been doing some awesome things on the RP side. I wanted to see it, but you were going to have a Keeper target on your back because no one has been oust in such a way before now.
I honestly believe you will reach that moment of ascending beyond that current breaking point of yours, but you still have some ways to go. You need to own your actions holding you back and not play them off as being bored or someone had it out for you. I will say you've progressed because you could have raged out a lot earlier with this character. You tried and I can respect that.
While it's truly a lot easier to just peg these kinds of things to the player, I do actually try to separate these kinds of things to the particular character and leave it at that as long as no game rule violations are involved. We've been doing this dance over the course of around 4 years Ozaru. Your Keeper characters and the history of how they were received are in these graveyard forum pages. I've been incredibly patient, and I still am. Good luck in the future.
[reply to Hrimoyan]
[reply to Mikoos]
I will say that I do not like how you run the cabal, silent tests like that just make me I can't speak for anyone else feel like no one cares or you aren't around. I have made this clear on almost every single keeper I have ever had. One time, just one time Hey kushtok keep up the good work. For the record if you want to bring up instances that you didn't like about my behavior I never liked how thodun wanted to gank people that he couldn't kill solo. His leadership got me killed at least 3 times. I cannot take credit for all the deathmark kills cuz some people just bent over and took it, but I had a good amount of kills to get your attention to say or do something. To say that crisbin actively interacts with applicants and I don't is simply untrue. I may have never wrote about it, but I did talk to 2 of the 4 applicants on multiple occasions telling them not to give up on entry because it will take a while.
You should know better than anyone that no one applies to be a keeper except me ergorion and maybe 2 other people that are serious applicants every single other one goes inactive really fast. I don't know what you consider stewardship but by being the most active member the one who donated over 500k gold should at least get some communication. I was really hoping to get that out of you on this character of my 240 hours spent I would have to say 160 was pure keeper and pretty decent keeper mentality at that (75) hours training and ranking. You spoke to me once or twice I don't even think you inducted me.
I wish I had kept the log of the communication between Thodun and I, oh by the way after I killed him once, he was the one that started the second fight. He overhanded me while sleeping, he was just pissed and embarrassed that he couldn't kill me. As far as turning to the dark side I really didn't want to do that, when all the passwords got stolen and before I killed thodun I actually wanted to rp to be a knight. I sent a tell to ceridwel because i just wanted to resign from being a keeper since I got tired of just fighting legion for no real reason other than death mark. Unfortunately he never responded and this is the sad ending for my character. Can't chance it now, nor would i want to.
[reply to Ozaru]
You never once asked why you I thought Crisbin deserved it. I have the log I kept it. You only asked why you DIDN'T get it. Mkatos got inducted and forsaken in less than a month (Legion works on killing system and Mkatos kicks ass) Also got a Tat and has 2 different unique Titles. I was a Chieftain of a vacant Leader role for what 3months. Fynth gets leader 2 weeks after Eloret gets imm'd. I never bitched about it. I think I sent Hryimoran(I can never remember your name) once about it all. Also the only reason I lost to you was because the combat system for defensive over two-handed had defensive as inferior over two-handed that's why I switched to a two-handed weapon to be even with you. That said it failed miserably since then it has been fixed so no worries. Also I liked you and I even told you how to fix it and I was much more forgiving then I should have been.
Next Char (Bard Knight/Legion) Knight's can gamble real cheaply but Legion just so you can be a sneaky full PK drow. Just have to master the Phoenix. Much Love Good luck with the next char you make. (Any Typo's can be chalked up to a fair nights worth of drinkin) And ousting myself as Thodun is irrelevant since I don't have many chars in the graveyard that I have even owned up to.
[reply to Rensumi]
[reply to Ozaru]
fyi this was me
All you guys are getting wiped all over the street. The top 2 rated killers have been two Legions since January, and I still see you putzes attacking Justices while Mkatos is hovering around you in the background like a bubbly little kid with a balloon being completely ignored. You just absolutely refuse to unleash the beast, like you're too proud for it or something, and then wonder why the people you're letting run the place are still running the place.
I used to get chased out of the Justice cabal by Warlords and all sorts of crazy shit when Legion got out of control. Now you finally have imm support to 'protect the balance' and all that hogwash, and you're just catching minnows and ignoring the big fish.
[reply to Nycticora]
I just need you to fully understand that this is your doing. No one made you attack Thodun period. If you felt you were cheated, or felt like it was my doing of you not getting promoted, you could have asked me about it later. Pretty sure my most impacting characters in this game have all undergone some form of slight at one point or another. It's about having grit man. Your base attitude kicked in. This attitude has followed you your entire player career up this point. This attitude has undone you with every character. It has been commented on throughout your characters' GY posts, I've actually went ahead and checked this morning. It's all there.
I know it's uncomfortable having a mirror held up to you on this kind of platform, but I really need you to not shut your eyes and get defensive this time. You are going to find yourself here over and over and over and over again until you acknowledge the problem rests with you.
[reply to Hrimoyan]
[reply to Nadrin]
However; You are contradicting yourself. You said you didn't hold him back because of his past behavior, it was just because of his past behavior. Or at least, you wanted to test him based upon that.
Again, I've no problem judging a "person" who plays a character by past actions. Sometimes people need to prove they are worth the time that it takes to invest in them. Obviously, it is a game and there is a certain amount of "Okay, this is your sixty-seventh last chance. Get it right." that happens.
OZ. If I were you, I'd make a character who has a sole RP objective of being some Leaders right hand man/woman. Do everything you can to make everyone believe you are leadership material and than... and this is important... Turn It Down. What you accomplish by this will enhance other peoples image of you and that is more important than people think.
[reply to Faelon]
[reply to Faelon]
However; You are contradicting yourself. You said you didn't hold him back because of his past behavior, it was just because of his past behavior. Or at least, you wanted to test him based upon that.
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If you look at the wording of my initial post, I was testing Kushtok based on that specific character's underlying attitude, made obvious through some of Kushtok (the character's) actions. I made it a point to continue saying Kushtok when I was discussing that point for this reason. It just happens to be that the player manifests this with every character he's played in Keeper.
Also, again, I didn't hold him back. I was never asked if it was ok to promote him. Thodun as the leader of the cabal made a judgement call. I backed it. The irony is that had Kush responded humbly upon finding out and just congratulating Crisbin, he'd probably have the second spot not too long after. I need people to not miss this point.
I also disagree with that advice of making a character solely to be someone's right hand man. You need to play for yourself, not someone else.
[reply to Hrimoyan]
However; You are contradicting yourself. You said you didn't hold him back because of his past behavior, it was just because of his past behavior. Or at least, you wanted to test him based upon that.
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If you look at the wording of my initial post, I was testing Kushtok based on that specific character's underlying attitude, made obvious through some of Kushtok (the character's) actions. I made it a point to continue saying Kushtok when I was discussing that point for this reason. It just happens to be that the player manifests this with every character he's played in Keeper.
Also, again, I didn't hold him back. I was never asked if it was ok to promote him. Thodun as the leader of the cabal made a judgement call. I backed it. The irony is that had Kush responded humbly upon finding out and just congratulating Crisbin, he'd probably have the second spot not too long after. I need people to not miss this point.
I also disagree with that advice of making a character solely to be someone's right hand man. You need to play for yourself, not someone else.[/quote:f4ad52d640]
Back in Legion with Ikaork and Graulog vying for the rank 4 spot, Graulog got lucky as shit in the duels and won the spot. But Ikaork had confidence in himself and stuck with it and did get that rank 4 spot as well just a little bit later. There are 2 rank four spots. If there are just two of you "vying" for it, you're both probably going to get it provided you don't fuck up too bad.
[reply to Ergorion]
[reply to Rensumi]
Also, my suggestion is on the basis of the fact that nobody forgets past actions. Based on that, in my opinion, he should prove that he can sit in a second spot for as long as possible in an RP role, not focused on the top job.
Or, I suppose, you could have everyone RP'ing every person for themselves.
[reply to Faelon]
maybe you should read this Faelon. Ozaru probably could benefit from it too. I thought this kind of behaviour was rare among pkers, but apparently I was wrong.
When someone says "Kushtok" they are NOT talking about Ozaru the player, they are talking about Kushtok the character. There is NO hypocrisy in the following:
"I think Kushtok has a bad attitude and is likely to freak out. I do not expect Ozaru to have a bad attitude."
[reply to Nycticora]
I'd love to see Ozaru try a Legion. Personally I think he's grown a bit too accustomed to having the easy-button werebeast Keeper ranger who can get up to top killing speed very quickly with just treant thews and some forged weapons. If I were a betting man, which I am sometimes, but I won't bet on this, it's just an expression. If I were a betting man, I would bet that Ozaru would struggle a bit with a Legion and wouldn't be able to duel his way into leadership. Perhaps a challenge to be accepted?
[reply to Ergorion]
My suggestion should be taken as it was meant; a suggestion. No more, no less. Just my own thoughts and experiences with this game.
[reply to Faelon]