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I ask a Knight why in the world he's allowing a keeper to invade his halls, to help him slay me. Here's the reply.

Gathaldriel tells you 'He is not anathema.'

You tell Gathaldriel 'What do you mean so?'

You tell Gathaldriel 'He invade your cabal.'

Gathaldriel tells you 'You killed the guardian, he walked in.'

You tell Gathaldriel 'With you.'

You tell Gathaldriel 'He was following you, too.'

Gathaldriel tells you 'He is serving the balance.'

You tell Gathaldriel 'Your duty is to defend your cabal from everyone, isn't it?'

Gathaldriel tells you 'Farist follows after that.'

(394/666) (429/806) (232/404mv) road reply I watched him follow you inside.

You tell Gathaldriel 'I watched him follow you inside.'

Gathaldriel tells you 'So what?'

You tell Gathaldriel 'Then watched you lead him to us.'

You tell Gathaldriel 'You lead someone into your cabal!'

You tell Gathaldriel 'That's what!'

Gathaldriel tells you 'He decided to follow me to fight you.'

Gathaldriel tells you 'Can I stop him from walking in?'

You tell Gathaldriel 'You can stop him from following you.'

Gathaldriel tells you 'And lose my pets?'

What's that, cabals get all these neat powers and potions and scrolls and gold banks because they have to defend their cabal no matter what? It seems like a lot of horse shit. Even the playing field or continue with this downward spiral.

bassball Cabals are what's wrong with Ar. -

Now I don't know how right the whole thing is, or how wrong it is. I won't give my opinion because I'm not sure what mine is, I'll let all the other pricks who post here flame and BS everything into the ground.
I will say however that I was unaware he was taking me right into the Castle until we were there... I asked him what was up with that and he didn't say anything. I was just thinking.... ok, whatever, I'll just kill everyone while I'm here, but then you all ran away and we left the Castle after like 2 seconds anyway.

Kessor Cabals are what's wrong with Ar. -

I don't think Farist did anything wrong, I think that Gathaldriel should be booted for that. You're not supposed to let people into your cabal, let alone bring them in. If they come in, they're the enemy and you're supposed to attack them until their gone.

cateroth Cabals are what's wrong with Ar. -

whining is for little girls

someone Cabals are NOT whats wrong with AR -

Let an imm deal with it - if they're not there then write a note to immortal.

Making sweeping statements about cabals because of the conduct of one member is just plain illogical.

Vertas Cabals are what's wrong with Ar. -

Thats bullshit if he were serving balance he would be attacking the knight because right now evil is the side thats suffering...And you don't knowingly allow someone to go into your cabal, you can say wait outside of the path and attack when they try to run but thats about all you can do...

retard Cabals are what's wrong with Ar. -

Gathaldriel tells you 'He decided to follow me to fight you.'

Now quit fucking trolling.

Clifton Cabals are what's wrong with Ar. -

I actually think that the situation changes based on the players that are on. And that balance can either be micro'ed, or macro'ed. It leaves it up to the cabal to decide as well as players if they want the help or not. If there's a Knight and Legion on, in addition to the Keeper, like Gathaldriel and whoever Forsaken is, the Keeper is probably free to help either side since 1) Knights are stronger overall, but 2) Forsaken > Footman. If either side doesn't want to use the Keeper's help, I don't think they should be surprised if the other side does. That's how I understand it at least.

davor Cabals are what's wrong with Ar. -

agreed with clifton, though i don't see any perspective from which intrusion on cabal grounds should be tolerated...
especially by someone who might be invading it tomorrow to fight you...

The OP is complaining about the Knight's conduct.

What do rangers have for AOE, anything? No they dont. They dont have AOE. So what does he have to deal with Farist and two other targets at the same time? NOTHING.

The guardian is dead. There's already two people in his cabal he's busy trying to clear out. Another one walks in and starts helping him. He's too busy to deal with him immediately. There are already intruders to deal with. God dammit.

God damn you dipshits.

deathnote Cabals are what's wrong with Ar. -

First things first. That chat log was not complete. I remembered quite clearly telling Worzle that Worzle and Zlaad were my first priorities. Which it was not reflected in the log above.

There are 3 people in my grounds. Worzle, Zlaad and Farist. Not to mention Sukovi lurking around. It was a 3 way gangbang for me. I see only two scenarios in front of me.

Scenario 1: Together with Farist, we whoop Zlaad and Worzle, they leave my grounds, Farist would leave too. I defend my cabal.

Scenarion 2: I attack Farist, and it becomes a 4 way gang bang, I die, and the cabal is not defended. Worzle is happy though.

Anyway, Farist offered to fight alongside me to balance the fight. It was 3 vs 1 to begin with. And you guys are saying Farist should join the evils? And make it 4v1? wow, that is so balanced.... If that is the case he just had to watch them ass rape me, he doesn't even need to participate in the first place.

Worzle is just complaining because he fought me alone and he died. So he gets a big shit gangbang group to fight me and expects me to enter the cabal and just die there. Then Farist comes along and spoil his lame gangbang groups and he's unhappy, so he nit picks on who I have to deal with in my cabal first, according to his priorities and not the best way to defend my cabal. *shrug*

Kagan Cabals are what's wrong with Ar. -

deathnote: "And you guys are saying Farist should join the evils?"

No one said anything about what Farist should do, only what you should do.

I personaly think what you did was quite resonable; certainly nothing you should get in any real trouble for. You were trying to defend your Cabal and Farist was a means to that end - I doubt any imms are gonna be too harsh on you.

But then you go and do the classic "AR debate manouver" in which you re-invent the position of the prosecution to facilitate the defence. Soon the two sides are arguing entirely different points and we have the typical AR retard foot-stomping.

Anyway, there is a third possible scenario.

You leave Farist outside the cabal and tell him that to enter would be an insult to the Knights of Valour. You go in to (as far as your character is concerned a 2 on 1. FArist will probably come in anyway to address the unbalance, and the two of you fight off the intruders between you (though not as a group). When just Farist and yourself remain in the Cabal you can either sturnly ask him to leave or attack him immediately for being there. Whatever happens, Farist is not going to join the baddies and make a 3 on 1 (or 4 on 1), as this is not his role. You MIGHT have ended up fighting two legions alone but, as I say, Farist would probably have come in anyway.

Anyway, I replied because some parts of the conversation was left out and I was pissed. As for my thoughts at that time, they were attacking the altar guardian already at that point of time, I was rushing back as fast as possible to defend it from being taken. It would be much worse if they had taken it, which wont take much of a time considering how weak the guardians are. He probably would know where I was headed to, if he does not wish to go in, he could rest and sit there. After all, my goal was entirely on the two inside trying to obtain my cabal item.

worzle Cabals are what's wrong with Ar. -

The part of the conversation you're referring to comes before the part I was posting. Either way, my point wasn't that you were outnumbered, that we know. However in the form of the list posted I'll tell you what you could've done, without breaking the rules of your own cabal.

1. Have Farist wait outside the path for when we left chasing you or you chasing us. This isn't the first time I've done battle with a Knight when Farist was going to interfere, however it is the first time a Knight led him into their cabal.

or

2. Wait for us to actually take your item, and have Farist assist you in invading the Legion cabal. Again, you're not leading anyone into your physical cabal on purpose or by accident.

Either way, it wasn't that you were outnumbered. It only has to do with breaking your own cabals rules (and every cabal for that matter) so you can avoid the small chance of death. That is why I made my statement, though I'll admit it was a bit presumptious.

I've seen a Justice flag me completely improperly and had the flag stand because I killed them afterwards. The Knights grabbing a neutral to help them defend their own cabal and Legion not even coming to defend their own cabal. Cabals are a big mess as far as I can tell and calling me a troll isn't going to change that fact.

Can't you read? He says he needed to attack the people cueenetly trying to kill his ALTAR guardian. Thats the items last line of defence. You must defend that mob. You can't just stop and negotiate. fucking idiot,

Wow are you for real? Stop and negotiate? "Stop following me" is all he had to say, and Farist would not have followed him in. I mean, he can take the time to gather up his potions, pets, and forest crafted items but can't find the time to say "Stop following me"?

I smell horse shit. Now see how to make a point without flaming?

Esura Cabals are what's wrong with Ar. -

Hugs for everyone!

YOU DONT STOP DEFENDING FOR ANY REASON BECAUSE YOU HAVE PRECIOUS SECONDS

balaks Cabals are what's wrong with Ar. -

Uh.. the Knight isnt responsible for Farist walking into the cabal, he is responsible for defending the item. If two enemies are in the cabal and one is attacking the altar guardian, you go for him because clearly you need to stop him. I dont see what the issue is here. You cant expect the Knight to stop what he is doing to ask somebody to 'stop following me' when another guy is busy hacking bits off your altar guardian.

I don't really think that anyone should have problem with how Galadriel with few funny letters handled the situation. Shit even if there was guardian and he fled past him I'd ignore him till evils were out.
I would have done the same, most of you would have done the same, rest of you are witless.
I'm more interested in post-fight. I would expect nothing short of a stern warning to Farist that next time he is not to intrude and a great sigh of relief.
So instead of circle feces launching lets get that thing called perspective. And for fucks sake retard... stop shouting.

I would suggest you listen to reason.

prettty sure davor, balaks, and retard together have 20+ years of experience.

If you're excusing this, what's to stop Knights from just being too busy to tell Nobles "you can't follow me into my cabal" or to stop Legion from telling the protected the same? What's to stop Justices from grabbing a couple of lawfuls that happened to be following him and going to defend his cabal? If Legion brought a few neutrals into his cabal to help him defend people would be shouting from the rooftops.

And when we invaded Farist was attacking Sukovi. That means Gathaldriel and Farist grouped after the fact. It's pretty obvious to me that Gathaldriel wanted someone else to help him defend his cabal. You can make excuses for it or call it what it is, a poor display by a cabal member as usual.

slade Cabals are what's wrong with Ar. -

Someone who spends over half of their fights in 3 on 1 gangbangs really isn't the authority on AR ethics.

I did not tell Farist to defend my cabal with me. Farist can vouch for it.

I agree with Worzle completely.

And were you grouped with Farist at any point in the battles?

If so, then that just reinforces Worzle's POV.

If not, then you should have immediately warned/attacked Farist post-battle with the invader. Did you?

If so, then I'm satisfied if you don't let it happen again. If not, then you're at fault and you should pay a price.

Slade if you're referring to me, up to this point I can honestly say I've never had a 3 on 1 unless it was me vs 3 knights.

Deathnote, I didn't say you told Farist to, but the bottom line here (and I think you know it) is if you didn't want Farist to enter your cabal with you, you could've have told him quickly without wasting any time and he wouldn't have.

If you had told him and he didn't, that would have been a little different. But the fact that you didn't even try to stop someone from intruding on your cabal grounds because they were going to help you is a blatant breech of cabal rules. Of that I'm pretty sure even now.

And Deathnote. I fought you alone twice, and you died. Don't pretend like you're big and bad for killing me once without protective shield.

Kren Cabals are what\\'s wrong with Ar -

When Farist offered to assist Zarbondo his assitance ended once I had to enter the path because no one is supposed to be on the path or in the Cabal but the Knights. He understood this and respected this. I didn't know there was an exception to the rule.

"Slade if you're referring to me, up to this point I can honestly say I've never had a 3 on 1 unless it was me vs 3 knights. "

Wow is that a lie and a half...

Please then, enlighten me.

Okay... locks of beliefs here. The bottom line is that the Knight was probably too busy dealing with 2 intruders taking item to focus on farist. If farist is heling, great. If not, deal with it later. all it sounds like to mem, is that worzle is whining because his little gangbang turned into an even fight. Since Balaks has already posted on the issue, and since he's the cabal imm, I guess theres last word.

Also, less whining fucker.

I'm still waiting to hear about all these 3 on 1 gangbangs I participate in.

worzle is whining because his little gangbang turned into an even fight

Your own initial post doesnt even have any log to provide evidence. Its just talking between you and some newb. So stop trying to change the subject. FAIL.

retard, more people think youre retarded than think im retarded. FAIL.

Arguing on the internet is like competing in the special olympics. Even if you win you're still retarded. FAIL.

faelon Cabals are what's wrong with Ar. -

Worzle;

http://abandonedrealms.com/essays/stages.php

Please refer to stage 3.

holy crap........

crazyness.

You guys are all pretty ridiculous in my opinion. Everything kind of got clarified. I didn't do anything wrong, In fact I evened out a horribly unfair fight. I did exactly what I was supposed to. And as for the ranger Knight... well, as Clifton said Balaks said he's fine. Quit worryin so much about it.