Nadrin flees into cabal. Full.

1. Clifton Nadrin flees into cabal. Full. -
   Ouch... Owned again.
   
   After you posted a lot of bullshit both in chat and in game.
   
   Ouch.
2. ranix Nadrin flees into cabal. Full. -
   I still don't see what the big deal is. He did beeline to the cabal, but he was in there for less than two ticks. Nadrin dropped 3 cure criticals, and came right back out swinging.
   
   Also, Alzuur correctly chased him in.
   
   I don't see anything wrong here, and if there's a big shitstorm about this it speaks volumes about how whiny you guys have gotten in the last few years. I have done exactly this on several occasions, and I've fought Knights and Justices at their guardian without even thinking of bitching about it.
   
   Nadrin isn't a superpower; this is his first notorious character. He's more like a Kran or an Elysia than a Sayereat or a Ugula, so lay off him. The fact that Erlwith is so butthurt about it says more about him than it does about Nadrin. If your vagina hurts so much that you can't stand seeing a Legion that you attacked --in Darkhaven-- swing by his cabal you should probably pick up some Monistat
3. razza Nadrin flees into cabal. Full. -
   Go back to darkfall please, you have no idea what you're talking about
4. Nadrin Nadrin flees into cabal. Full. -
   Ok so the little snip from the last log didnt leave much for me to go on so I was thinking about a different fight. in this case as Alzuur said I had already went splat just before that, after abducting him and having my hp chopped in half. I was wearing some splinted gear, a blood candle, and a fucking insignia from Mundos shop. Hadnt had a chance to even come close to regearing before he was invading again. So We had the scales. You HAD already invaded once. Your intent was OBVIOUSLY to invade and get your item back. since you had already just a few moments before invaded. it was perfectly acceptable to try and guardian sit when Im nearly naked and getting my ass kicked because of it. As I said, he had invaded just moments before already bringing the fight to the cabal. Once brought to the cabal you cant say shit about that.
5. ranix Nadrin flees into cabal. Full. -
   eat shit Razza, I've been here since you were a toddler and I'll be here long after you're gone
6. pip Nadrin flees into cabal. Full. -
   fap fap fap
7. faelon Nadrin flees into cabal. Full. -
   Ranix; Cabal members are supposed to be the top notch players, capable of fleeing away from a combatant and coming back to fight again. The cabal grounds, in the rp sense, are sacrosanct. He shouldn't be going anywhere near there, at all, unless someone invades. Not comes close, not is near, INVADES. And your line about people doing it all the time maybe true now, but your lackadaisical attitude towards it proves you haven't been here as long as you claim. That would been an auto-slay back in the day.
   
   Nadrin; Yes, we can say shit about that. Because its a pussy ass move. Admit it. Figure out a way to not do that during a fight with someone who is shit stomping you and you earn respect. Do that and all respect goes away. Ug didn't get to be Ug by being a bitch. He had killer RP and the capability to chew through anyone, or get away from those who almost had him.
8. erlwith Nadrin flees into cabal. Full. -
   Why are you guys even responding to Ranix? When it comes to AR he knows nothing. Maybe 5 years ago when he actually actively played or had a char past 10 he had a clue, but now he doesn't know if Groq is the imm leader of Knight or Keeper.
   
   There's nothing else to debate though. Cabal rules clearly state cabal conduct, and if you don't know that hiding behind your guardian in this situation is a nono you really shouldn't be posting on this thread OR be in a cabal. The log is a big red arrow pointing to Nadrin. What comes of it comes of it, this log clearly shows that it is a matter of policy and not a debate on if his actions were called for.
   
   And Pip is that an invitation?
9. retard Nadrin flees into cabal. Full. -
   2) Cabals have items. These represent everything that cabal stands for.
   A cabal item symbolizes the owning cabal's power, its pride, and its dignity.
   Ensuring this item stays safely in its altar is more important than anything
   else you might be doing. There are absolutely no exceptions.
   
   - Do not ignore or encourage ANY attacks on your cabal.
   - Do not ignore or encourage ANY intruders inside your cabal.
   - Do not ignore your missing cabal item. Attempt to retrieve it immediately.
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   This helpfile is applicable to most situations. However when your door guardian is holding your attacker's cabal item, its somewhat of a special circumstance. The act of capturing cabal items is technically encouraging later attacks , which obviously you need to be there present to defend against. You want to retain any items you have captured. Items are captured to draw enemy cabals into unfair fights.
   
   Since the shadowdemon is holding the Keeper cabal item in this entire log, there is no obvious wrongdoing by the Legion. Nadrin should've been at the guardian defending it as best he can, since Alzuur's objective is kill it to regain his object, and the Legion's is to keep it on the shadowdemon.
   
   Alzuur was required by rules to reclaim his item and is seen running off trying to PK Nadrin instead of focusing on that objective - along with the comment "I decided to stay and get my item" its clear there is misunderstanding here. Because you can't decide. You have to. Opposing players need to be disabled (prefer kill, but w/e) but the utomost priority is getting the item or dying in the attempt. The same way as you should defend your cabal item or die before it gets taken. Basically, death for the item's sake is required sometimes. In fact Alzuur should prolly have been dead 3 times already trying to regain his item before Nadrin's Legion buddies left him on alone, and should probably not be in a position to launch an attack like that. You have to wonder what was going on the whole time those other Legions were around. Certainly there should have been no need for the "chasing around". The rule says, show up and try getting it back. Expect a party at the enemy guardian when you do so.
   
   In short, Alzuur is complaining about Nadrin being present, when it was to prevent him getting the scales back, which required him being present, Moral of the story is dont lose your cabal item and this doesnt happen to you.
10. alzuur Nadrin flees into cabal. Full. -
    The best way to get your item back is to scare off your attacker long enough to get your item. I shouldn't have been dead, I invaded plenty of times and if Legion were worth their salt I've have been dead plenty of times.
    
    But I'll keep that in mind for the next time. If I ever have a cabal's item I know it'll be safe to run inside any time I get to a low percentage. Careful the policies you set, it just turns this game into a shithole further.
11. alzuur Nadrin flees into cabal. Full. -
    "along with the comment "I decided to stay and get my item" its clear there is misunderstanding here. Because you can't decide. You have to. Opposing players need to be disabled (prefer kill, but w/e) but the utomost priority is getting the item or dying in the attempt."
    
    You also clearly misunderstood that comment. That means, instead of chasing and trying to land the killing blow I decided now would be an excellent opportunity to reclaim the item since Nadrin was running away like a bat out of hell, and I was right. If you can see I had 3 hours left on my curse, which obviously means I've been fighting the guardian for a while now.
    
    "In short, Alzuur is complaining about Nadrin being present, when it was to prevent him getting the scales back, which required him being present, Moral of the story is dont lose your cabal item and this doesnt happen to you"
    
    Are you serious? Did you even read the log and my further posts? Nadrin was not there trying to prevent me from getting his item. It's laughable that is the logic you came to.. He was there to prevent himself from dying, evident because he then runs away once he gets inside.
    
    If he had ran inside then stayed there to make sure I didn't get the item, ok. But we fight, he gets to low hp, he runs inside, I chase him inside, he runs out. There is NO cabal defense there, how can you even bring your hands to type that? It is clear he ran inside because he was being a pussy and I will certainly follow that lead from now on. I'm kind of past being "ethical" in all my fights when these tools cheat and get away with it.
    
    The moral of the story is, if you want to hide in your cabal just capture a cabal item. So everyone can keep that in mind.
    
    
    Sorry, just have to laugh at that line of reasoning one more time. Nadrin runs away at pretty hurt into his cabal, then runs out of his cabal seconds later and that was because he wanted to defend his shadowdemonguardian and keep me from getting his item? Ahahahahahahahaha. Ahahahahaha. Hah, hah, hah. Standards surely have dropped around here if shitty excuses like that fly.
12. alzuur Nadrin flees into cabal. Full. -
    sorry, my item.* Anyway, this post did exactly what it was supposd to. It showed people that Nadrin is lame and no amount at grasping at straws "oh he was defending his cabal" (lol) will change that.
13. retard Nadrin flees into cabal. Full. -
    My first experience of cabal item retrieval at 50 was fleeing into warlord cabal and being bashed/lashed by 4 of them while I tanked their item holder inside the fortress That tactic is allowed and the death march is required.
14. retard Nadrin flees into cabal. Full. -
    your item being captured changes everything. EVERYTHING
15. rekkakun Nadrin flees into cabal. Full. -
    What's the point of going in there to die and getting full looted, or worse still, con deathed? You should be planning the best way to retrieve ur item. - Gaining some common enemies of legion to distract them while u invade etc etc. Whatever it takes to get it back, depending on ur cabal and ur RP etc etc.
    
    But what defense does Nadrin need to return to defend the guardian when alzuur wasn't attacking the guardian at that time? They were skirmishing in darkhaven, and he runs in to get himself healed?? That's the same as making his cabal a safe haven for him to heal himself and leading others to his cabal needlessly (Granted they wld be going in regardless)
    
    So retard, are you trying to say that you claim his item, give it to ur guardian, you are alllowed to enter ur cabal and sit down at ur guardian waiting for him to come to you? And I dont see why killing Nadrin isnt a correct thing to do. He being on defense makes it hard to kill the guardian, so killing him is a way to achieve it. No?
16. retard Nadrin flees into cabal. Full. -
    "are you trying to say that you claim his item, give it to ur guardian, you are alllowed to enter ur cabal and sit down at ur guardian waiting for him to come to you?"
    
    yes
    
    "I dont see why killing Nadrin isnt a correct thing to do. He being on defense makes it hard to kill the guardian"
    
    successful killing is ok. but ignoring an open opportunity to get items back is not. getting the item back is priority. you would scare off defender, kill him if he lets you (i.e. he didnt bolt for mahn-tor), otherwise get the item
17. wudst Nadrin flees into cabal. Full. -
    I agree with Ranix on one note, although he is dead wrong on everything else...
    
    You guys really have gotten pretty whiney.