Legion defending

1. rekkakun Legion defending -
   Whoa. First Surezel's case. Now Xenyar quitting with someone sitting in his cabal and necromancer at awful. Nice.... What's with the cabal these days?
2. ergorion Legion defending -
   I think it might be the fact that all the Legions are not pinnacled and inactive while all the Knights are pinnacled and extremely active. I would think that if the Legions did defend and die "like they were supposed to" they would all condie before they gained another level even.
3. der-da-der Legion defending -
   Not defending the Legion here, but Azazhog is a hoarding, bottom feeding douche bag.
4. garistha Legion defending -
   ... well. dosen't matter if azazhog is a hoarding bitch. the post is about legion
5. Shadok Legion defending -
   Regardless of who is in the wrong, shouldn't attacking the necromancer give you adrenaline so you cannot quit? If that were the case, then I'd say it was Az's fault at not beating on the necromancer. If that isn't the case, then Xenyar should've made sure he wasn't in the cabal. In ANY case, shouldn't there just be a no_quit while someone is in your halls? But then real life stuff may happen, and you're screwed either way. Seems to me that this is how it has to be, from now on.
   
   You can't quit while someone is in your cabal grounds, that has pk adrenaline torwards you. If you sit in the cabal and lose the adrenaline, then it is your own fault.
   
   You've already taken Legion's powers, that they have to have an item to get more powers. What else are you going to punish them for? You're running out of things to do to make people stick with it. Oh, you won't defend, you're out. Simple, but I don't see this being a "I won't do that again, or I can learn from that guy". "I just won't quit like he did". If you have the NO_QUIT flag introduced you won't be having this problem.
6. Shadok Legion defending -
   Sorry no edit button, so furthermore.
   
   I would much rather have a legion die and be naked to defend, rather than just have a troublemaker who gets kicked out and the next guy does THE EXACT SAME DAMN THING. When will you guys learn that you're only hurting the cabal itself, pretty soon Dav is just going to say, "You know what? Legion is closed. "Olyn, you aren't the immortal of that worthless cabal of misguided, afraid to die characters". So you guys just keep up, Legion will be out of the picture. You are going to RUIN this for everyone else.
   
   On another note, Az is a hoarding piece of crap just like lendorav was, but hey, if it ain't broken don't fix it. I just wish he would stick around when it's just a one on one, or not log in and quit if he doesn't like who's on. Whatever.
7. der-da-der Legion defending -
   The log is more whining. In case you missed it, instead of posting logs like this to create mass hysteria, post a complaint in game and let the Immortals handle it.
8. Xenyar Legion defending -
   8 rank disadvantage to a 50 healer. I defended multiple times and almost died doing so. Attack, flee, rest...repeat process until I had to leave. i'm not going to let my corpses pile up, that would be mindless. Azazhog, why didn't you chase me? Not even the time i was down to 27 health. you could have chased and murdered at that point. Instead, you just sat in the cabal. It difficult for us Legions to rank. for one, we are never on at the same time, apparently. If were not fighting off some knight or healer with a 6-8 rank disadvantage, it's nyxre a rank 47 shaman would would rather not rank, but attack instead. Hard to get a group most of the time. Frustrating....but thats cabal life, eh?
9. azazhog Legion defending -
   Well the plan was to fight inside the legion grounds, because last time I did capture the item with Surezel he just quit. I hoped me being inside the cabal grounds would be more of an incentive.
   
   Xenyar I have nothing against implementing a rule that you only have to defend if the attacker is +- 3 ranks and alone. If you feel something like that is fair ask Davairus to implement it, you have my vote.
10. bassball Legion defending -
    Everyone complains about the 6-8 rank disadvantage. And honestly it's kind of for good reason. Being that many ranks below sucks balls and you don't even have a chance. Also, Dav said that kills with that big a gap don't even affect record or anything. So why's it like that? Why can't the thing be changed so you aren't ever in someones pk range while 8 ranks lower? Or is there a perfectly good reason for it that I, and seems like almost everyone, is missing?
11. stiehl Legion defending -
    Bassball, I think the reason is that the races and race/class combos that have such a large rank disadvantage are the ones that are most powerful (potentially) at rank 50 where rank disadvantage (for the rank 50) is no longer an issue. I don't see it being changed really ever. I can hear dav right now saying "if you have a problem with it...play a human".
12. kalist Legion defending -
    I agree with what stiehl said. The race/class exp penalties are there to extend the length of the gauntlet. A human mage only has to endure the gauntlet from about level ~45-50 (depending on who he's fighting). A firegiant berserker starts the gauntlet at level 42. This makes it a lot harder for higher exp combos to claw their way up to 50 but once they get there they are pretty damn strong (compare fire berserker or mino berserker to human berserker....no competition).
    
    While the gauntlet is harder for higher xp combos it's not impossible..I've had a lot of kills at rank 44-49 (against 50s) on a firegiant berserker. Granted, it's not easy fighting against a magic user with so many ranks but do what you can.
    
    Stock up on mal saves, get a henchman and dual axes against him. Worth a try.
13. garistha Legion defending -
    haha kalist ure the only dude that ever survives the gauntlet as a fire zerker. so that dosen't count. But that being said, yeah cabal life is about getting ass raped to 50 then raping ass at 50. and also to quote dav. "I don't care if a neutral comes and ninja you at 1% you deserved it just for being legion."
14. Mandor Legion defending -
    The exp holes for race/class have been the same forever, despite the nature of the game changing.
    
    lets look at elf/drow. They have the worst stats for defenses in the game other than dodge. But they have auto-sneak. auto-sneak because you must get those initiative murders on the other guy. back in the day, people removed their lights, or made some scripting to catch where they were.
    
    In comes hobble and you limp away. it pwns auto-sneak, it pwns fleeing, the two things the elf races need to do.
    
    Lets also look at racial legacies. They were implemented as giving some sort of help to combos that had high tnl.
    
    drow ninja with the city meld.
    fire giant berserker with that unquenched fury that keeps them alive far into the negatives.
    
    Im just pointing out that the exp combos were given legacies to offset having a crappy gauntlet. notice there's no human ones.
    
    hes a rank 42 against a rank 50. Its something totally reliant on gear vs something that can sit there and spam the holy death aura all day long..
    
    Still, there is more power to be had for those combos, so maybe they need their holes, but perhaps the class side of the exp combo holes could be toned down by figuring out which ones get wasted for not that much more power at 50, and which ones get lots of power at 50 and dont get wasted as being underranked so bad.
    
    I know if I were running a cabal, I'd make it that 40-44 gets points towards their reputation in the cabal and whatnot, if they defend to the death. If they just quit, they'd have to wait longer to rank up after 50, and if they defend in some form, but do it and not die, they stay level as far as the cabal's concerned, and at 45 defense would be mandatory.
    
    I know there's a rule against suicide in the game, and thats more or less what 42 vs 50 would classify as.
    
    However, its up to the leaders of each cabal to dictate how their caballeds behave, except then, oh look, there's a help cabal conduct that supersedes any cabal leader's possible "leadership" in that area.
15. Mandor Legion defending -
    and new account creation still doesnt work.
16. Clifton Legion defending -
    How is it good, exactly, for cabal members to be running around naked?
17. mullet Legion defending -
    Dont join a cabal if you dont want to run the gauntlet.
    
    
    Stop posting tattle tale logs that are irritating at best.
18. iolo Legion defending -
    Hate to agree with mullet, but I do. If you don't want an 8 rank difference, don't roll an elf or drow. If you don't want to HAVE to die in certain circumstances, don't join a cabal. WTF is with people and their whining here? You have 61 lives to burn, if you're in a cabal your DUTY is to burn some of them dying to 8 rank disadvantages while defending your cabal.
19. Mandor Legion defending -
    @ clifton.
    
    well, see what happens is that people who say things like mullet are in Knight. As soon as Legion has overwhelming 50's and gangrapes (btw you can still invade a cabal and force a level 40 to defend, even if they're a human warrior, so stop bringing PK range into it, PK range only matters ALL THE TIME, not JUST IN CABALS) Knights, then they'll be the ones bitching, and we can respond, tough shit you joined a cabal.
    
    Additionally, Having naked legions running around all the time is good for the game.
    
    newbie logs in. Newbie sees naked legions all the time, newbie thinks "holy shit, these guys must be tough to be ganked and naked all the time". Its an exercise in toughness being related to accepting being assraped over and over and still playing.
    
    Or, newbie logs in and sees naked legions all the time and thinks "hey, I'm left naked all the time by ganks, maybe this cabal is for me".
    
    Anyway, a lot of these people bitch about how "cabals like legion are for the elite who can deal with anything".
    
    right.. so thats why there's a pk range, forced defending, and certain death unless you're at least 45 vs a 50, due to changes in the way skills are handled by level and whatnot.
20. mullet Legion defending -
    Or noobie says "gawd these guys suck cuz their naked all the time?"?
21. Mandor Legion defending -
    exactly, how can any naked legion look good for the game?