I was going to submit the entire log, but this pretty much sums it up.
I have a full suit of rares, my hit dam is ave 40/34.
This is fucking stupid. I can last for about 3 rounds, I hit him for 100 hp, and I am down to 100 hp.
Keepers are gay. And I will probably never fight one again unless they invade, then I am going to be a bitch and squat. Because there is absolutely nothing I can do against THAT.
<428/791 703/703 155/424> {no opponent} {no opponent} sand s
You yell 'Help! I am being attacked by Adwaud!'
Adwaud's sting maims you!
Adwaud has some small wounds and bruises.
<392/791 703/703 155/424> {segment} {defensive} sand No way! You are still fighting!
Adwaud has some small wounds and bruises.
<392/791 703/703 155/424> {segment} {defensive} sand
Your cleave misses Adwaud.
Your pierce MUTILATES Adwaud!
Adwaud parries your pierce.
Adwaud's sting MUTILATES you!
Adwaud's sting DISEMBOWELS you!
Adwaud's sting MUTILATES you!
Adwaud has some small wounds and bruises.
<272/791 703/703 155/424> {segment} {defensive} sand wtf
You look for the nearest wall and beat your head into it.
Adwaud has some small wounds and bruises.
<272/791 703/703 155/424> {segment} {defensive} sand flee
You flee from combat!
Was this through sanc?
And Sebryn, yes that was through sanc.
^
I
I
That shit...Is stupid.
You should hit me that much with a flail while I am dual wielding. You should not hit me that hard unless I hit you that hard. (or at least anywhere close to ish).
And you forgot to mention Tipplwise dying three times to adwaud with arvar at his side and a guard.
No offense meant to tip or arv, just lets make sure we keep things in perspective. Keepers get automatic kill fest if they want it.
If I am not wrong, atonement is also pegged on your rating. So if you have high rating, atonement gives more bonus. Arvar's rating's quite high, so it probably affects. And I have been making so many shit mistakes. When I fought Volk, I didn't know my shield was in my sack, when I fought tipplwise, I took the chance to go for bash etc etc. and my ping to the server isn't what you would call instantaneous like some others. Your flee murders are fucking sick. So I doubt I'm that ass spanking as a keeper.
To the post here, my damge is Mutilate/Disembowell range. Your damage is Mutilate range. Probably for me just a tad higher, due to treant thews which gives high damroll. It's just that you're not parrying, that is why you feel it's a shit load of damage... At least in my opinion.
yay :))))
You see one round where he gets outdamaged and the crying ensues. You have to fight through it. I was catching DISMEMBERS left and right through sanc the entire fight with Arvar, and I cannot barkskin (at all) now with TT. When fights are like that you have to capitalize on mistakes because you're just getting out performed.
What's annoying is that most crying about Keepers is coming from those who don't even have bassball's pk ability, so half the time you're just getting out skilled, but refuse to consider that. The moment Dav makes a char I'm pretty sure he can own any Keeper whenever, but that's a skill issue, not a cabal power issue. But you guys aren't hearing that.
And the damage you were eating is because of the flame vuln, which was implemented so you would have to eat damage... so Dav got what he wanted. We'll just have to wait to see what he does next.
You did handle it well though. So kudos to you, you even beat me.
What I hate is if I'm using zero rares. I can beat a Keeper. Depending on which keeper I can beat them pretty handily. As soon as I get decked, I get fetching ass raped by ANY keeper. Who is still using thews. And if by chance, or skill or howeverTF it comes around, you manage to kill a keeper. HE DOESN'T even care.. he gets thews back and BAM. He already hits harder then you in your winter gear.
I agree with you about the being out skilled part Hrimo. But at the same time, it's not solely that. Because if it was the above wouldn't be true.
As for you getting barkskin totally nerfed.. again, obviously none of us had anything to do with it. But I think it's a rough fix and you'll see it'll be a little different soon. I ASSUME.
so, good, you kill a keeper, means you're better than him. what does it matter if he gets re-equipped quickly. you just get to fight him faster, am i right?
wait, i don't think i am. i am hearing all this bitching about how you want your uber gear to make you uber. like it's some fluke that you beat that keeper. if you can't do it consistently, maybe you don't deserve to keep the gear. if it can't happen, then maybe there's an issue.. oh wait, that's when gangbangs come into play.
i've got a solution guys, and it's a really good one. get a needle and thread, and stitch up your vaginas. no offense intended to people with vaginas.
Bassball: By the way, gnob in treant thews and gnob not in treant thews ain't gonna matter? He's just jetsteaming. Not to say TT keeper jetsteam >> any other invoker with good afflictive break.Hope you're not gonna say the damroll gives invoker damage output with his slashes.
And it's not true that we lose nothing. Any idea how much our weapons cost? Every death to me is ~ 100k gold. With using defenders and flying potions and stuff. We're so broke. We have no cabal coffers. (just an idea: maybe if we're allowed to sell the rares to those weaker ones, it may help). I cant even fucking farm gold with logging on seeing my whole shit list uncompliants and at war....
If you think Keepers are so fucking over powered then roll one up. Play it out, if you haven't played a Keeper post change then shut your fucking mouths. All the whining is driving me insane. It's non stop. Bassball, your giving off the impression that because you are rared out then your supposed to be invincible. Here's a clue > The gear doesn't change > so it's easy to say with confidence that your skill is the issue. Whining doesn't make you better, so stop. Please.
HOW IN THE FUCK IS THAT BALANCED YOU FUCKING IDIOTIC CHITS!?! WHAT THE FUUUUUCKKKK ARE YOU THINKING?!?!
No, hes not asking to be invincible when hes ubered. Hes expecting his suit to actually be worth something, instead of being worth NEGATIVE points against a keeper.
You guys are fucking idiots. This is not whining, this is the showing of bullshit. Its a new cabal, and dav even admits that HE KNOWS weapons (when it comes to keepers atonment) arent right yet.
OBVIOUSLY THERE ARE GOING TO BE SOME FUCKING ISSUES WITH KEEPERS.
Are you fucking tools really this blind? OOP! Bass is saying something is unbalanced. HE MUST HAVE A VAGINA!
When bash didnt have lag on it for like 2 hours last year... I raped some dude with bash. Bashed him 15 times straight. He complained to an imm. That mother fucker had a vagina.
Reply: \tI would expect to do dismembers/massacres through sanc to TT with full winter and a nice fire weapon, of which there are plenty.
I have durindel, but his magic resist must cancel out the vuln, cuz it did the exact same damage as my physical weapons.
Hey Clifton, you stupid prick, I am not decked... because it isn't worth a damn. What I am saying is IT SHOULD BE.
Oh, so you lose 100k. Can't buy weapons. Oh that sucks... go get the iron-hilted broadsword then. Doesn't matter you automattic 12 hit and 12 dam bonus makes up for it right? Can't compare that crap to losing a full set of winter gear. EVER.
I don't really like you either mullet. lol. But you freaking no what I'm talking about! So I appreciate that. Idk wtf is wrong with everyone else...
There has been changes done to the weapons if you guys dont know yet. Dav has been working on it. I aint comparing with losing a full set of winter gear, but it just allows keepers to stand up to UBER gear that's all.
You dont stand up to Uber gear. You pwn it.
Boo. Hiss.
Rared out equipment is a reason the Keepers are around.
You attribute losing to a Keeper to a cabal ability. Perhaps you are losing to the player behind the ability and not the ability itself.
Atonement was created to even the playing field. A Keeper get's 9/9 or 12/12 when fighting a geared opponent - who cares?
Compare TOTAL hit/dam rolls and I think you will find it's about even.
Lastly, If atonement makes it so easy. Make one, quick recovery is necessary when you could and typically are at War with the whole freaking pbase.
I want a good, even fight. Awesome. Purely based on skill. Sweet. Atonement gives them a head start. Not the way it should be. In the least. Especially when you get absolutely nothing from them when you kill them, and you lose everything.
Making things even = still gay but acceptable and I can see the need/want
Making keepers PWN your full suit? Gay as fuck, makes me not want to play anymore.
Own me with your skill, cool. Own me with one bullshit thing you get at lvl 1 in keepers cuz I spent hours in winter getting it? Fuck you.
But it's NOT supposed to be that way. Dav changed TT just so people would get ub3r leet rared out more. But Keepers are bs so no one wants to...
You play the game to kill your buddy (who has the other controller). You have a pistol. You see an mg. Do you say "nah, Ill keep the pistol" if you are both equal? No. You dont choose to potentially get owned.
I play this game to kill other people. Getting rared makes it easier.
So you get a whole shit load of rares, and atonement goes up. We have a high hit and damroll now, but our weapons are the same. So we own your ass cus of hit/dam? Your weapons are still shitting us left right centre dude. Think about it.
And how're we supposed to handle that shit if you feel we're so imbalance? Till date i've no idea how to beat Corzen in that shit eq.
About the Corzen vs Trogm fight, they fought some times, both died and now suddenly Corzen has lost A LOT of his power and it could take weeks to gain back, unless he dies in the meantime. Trogm comes back in 10 minutes, about as strong as before.
but actually, it requires people to keep two suits for different occasions, or take the smacking.
The issue is that there is no gain, and everything lose.
Keepers become stronger than you, who spent hours to get gear, just by one skill.
Keepers are like god-modes, kept on a leash if you arent wearing any rares.
I guess capturing cabal items should shift the pendulum permanently, so that it isn't done lightly, and also so that Keepers can do it to restore balance, instead of just harassing like this. We dont have the technology for this at the moment.
Back on topic: - you're probably over-reacting about atonement, and there are other skills there to worry about. "expose armor" for example will lower your armor for every rare you wear, which means keeper is going to do more damage to you. that is all the damage buff i wanted for keepers tbh, and atonement was a power i intended to debuff you with. i wouldn't mind going back to a debuff.
Nice, this will stop all the complains about atonement. hah.