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Ok so this is after a really really long back and forth of this guy black jacking and stealing my shit. As you probably read in my other post I hate thieves. So what is most annoying is the aggressive blackjack where it is supposedly to have a reduced success rate. Not true, 50% even with a three rank disadvantage on his part. Now this guy played a thief to perfection the pain in the ass part is that I was bored enough to keep going after him. So he steal my light boat sack so I am in combat advantage but weapon disadvantage. Now to everyone I have 30 to 33 hit I forget and about 37 damage even more since I transformed to tiger. I am not using aura and it doesn't look like he is unless I am really hitting him that hard. Now My defenses are mastered dual parry is like 92. Now this is my biggest issue not one concentrated attack and he squeaks out the win. Just disgusting really, combat style doesn't mean shit unless you are fighting a warrior because of hobble other than that just sickening. Now if you are wondering why didn't you use aura earlier, I was hoping to keep him in the fight and it worked, probably quaffed it a moment too late. After reading this I should have switched to my exotic at the end to eliminate the disadvantage or rescuing myself with my pets would have been great but I didn't think about it. All in all shitty fight, thieves suck rangers can't do anything against them since we have no area attack.

<885/885hp 715/728m 414/414mv 27152tnl no opponent no opponent aggressive ocean>
Grommet hits you on the back of the head with a lead filled sack.
You yell 'Help! Grommet just tried to blackjack me!'
Grommet's blackjack injures you.
Grommet has some small wounds and bruises.

<870/885hp 715/728m 414/414mv 27152tnl segment defensive aggressive ocean>
Grommet's grep DISMEMBERS you!
Grommet dodges your slash.
Grommet deftly performs a counterbalance evasion.
Grommet couldn't dodge your slash but you miss by inches.
You scream out in agonizing pain as your body starts to deform!
Your body becomes covered with fur and your claws sharpen as you take the form of a tiger!
A large black panther's claw mauls Grommet.
A large black panther's claw misses Grommet.
Grommet has some small wounds and bruises.

<865/935hp 715/728m 414/414mv 27152tnl segment defensive aggressive ocean>
You dodge Grommet's grep.
You parry Grommet's grep.
You nimbly dodge Grommet's grep with a practiced maneuver.
Your slash MUTILATES Grommet!
A wild boar's charge mauls Grommet.
Grommet deftly performs a counterbalance evasion.
Grommet has some small wounds and bruises.

<865/935hp 715/728m 414/414mv 27152tnl segment defensive aggressive ocean>
You are caught off guard by Grommet's unusual maneuver.
Grommet's uncanny attack DISMEMBERS you!
A savage bolo dislodges your weapon!
Grommet rakes your weapon aside!
You parry Grommet's grep.
Your primary weapon has been raked aside!
Grommet dodges your pierce.
You gain control of your weapon.
A wild boar's wild charge hits Grommet.
A large black panther's claw mauls Grommet.
Grommet has quite a few wounds.

<800/935hp 715/728m 414/414mv 27152tnl segment defensive aggressive ocean>
Grommet's grep DISMEMBERS you!
You parry Grommet's grep.
Your slash misses Grommet.
Your pierce misses Grommet.
Your wild slash MASSACRES Grommet!
A wild boar's charge mauls Grommet.
A large black panther's wild claw hits Grommet.
Grommet has quite a few wounds.

<742/935hp 715/728m 414/414mv 27152tnl segment defensive aggressive ocean> yawn
You must be tired.
Grommet has quite a few wounds.

<742/935hp 715/728m 414/414mv 27152tnl segment defensive aggressive ocean>
You are caught off guard by Grommet's unusual maneuver.
Grommet's uncanny attack MASSACRES you!
A savage bolo dislodges your weapon!
Grommet rakes your weapon aside!
Grommet has quite a few wounds.

<672/935hp 715/728m 414/414mv 27152tnl segment defensive aggressive ocean>
Grommet's wild grep *** DEMOLISHES *** you!
You nimbly dodge Grommet's grep with a practiced maneuver.
Your primary weapon has been raked aside!
Grommet deftly performs a counterbalance evasion.
Grommet manages to dodge your pierce with a lot of effort.
You gain control of your weapon.
A wild boar's charge mauls Grommet.
Grommet deftly performs a counterbalance evasion.
Grommet has quite a few wounds.

<555/935hp 715/728m 414/414mv 27152tnl segment defensive aggressive ocean>
You dodge Grommet's grep.
Your slash misses Grommet.
Your pierce DISEMBOWELS Grommet!
You concentrate on your combat style to prevent Grommet from dodging.
Your slash MUTILATES Grommet!
A wild boar's charge wounds Grommet.
A large black panther's claw wounds Grommet.
The tip of a bucket of angry Fireswarm locusts glows brightly.
Grommet has some big nasty wounds and scratches.

<567/935hp 723/728m 414/414mv 27152tnl segment defensive aggressive ocean>
You are caught off guard by Grommet's unusual maneuver.
Grommet's uncanny attack DISMEMBERS you!
A savage bolo dislodges your weapon!
Grommet rakes your weapon aside!
Grommet has some big nasty wounds and scratches.

<502/935hp 723/728m 414/414mv 27152tnl segment defensive aggressive ocean>
Grommet's grep DISMEMBERS you!
Grommet's grep DISMEMBERS you!
Your primary weapon has been raked aside!
Your pierce maims Grommet!
Your primary weapon has been raked aside!
You gain control of your weapon.
Grommet deftly performs a counterbalance evasion.
Grommet has some big nasty wounds and scratches.

<384/935hp 723/728m 414/414mv 27152tnl segment defensive aggressive ocean> hold def
You stop wielding 'Angelic', the winged stiletto.
You hold a Defender potion in your hand.
Grommet's grep DISMEMBERS you!
Grommet dodges your slash.
A wild boar's charge wounds Grommet.
A wild boar's charge wounds Grommet.
Grommet has some big nasty wounds and scratches.

<322/925hp 723/728m 414/414mv 27152tnl segment defensive aggressive ocean>
You are caught off guard by Grommet's unusual maneuver.
Grommet's uncanny attack DISMEMBERS you!
A savage bolo dislodges your weapon!
Grommet rakes your weapon aside!
Grommet has some big nasty wounds and scratches.

<261/925hp 723/728m 414/414mv 27152tnl segment defensive aggressive ocean> quaff def
You quaff a Defender potion.
You are surrounded by a white aura.
Grommet has some big nasty wounds and scratches.

<261/925hp 723/728m 414/414mv 27152tnl segment defensive aggressive ocean>
Grommet's grep devastates you!
You sure are BLEEDING!
Grommet exploits his weapon advantage to deliver an unblockable wild attack.
Grommet's wild grep injures you.
You sure are BLEEDING!
Your primary weapon has been raked aside!
Your primary weapon has been raked aside!
You gain control of your weapon.
Grommet has some big nasty wounds and scratches.

<215/925hp 723/728m 414/414mv 27152tnl segment defensive aggressive ocean> wield hero
You do not have that item.
Grommet has some big nasty wounds and scratches.

<215/925hp 723/728m 414/414mv 27152tnl segment defensive aggressive ocean>
Grommet's grep MUTILATES you!
You sure are BLEEDING!
Grommet parries your slash.
Grommet deftly performs a counterbalance evasion.
A large black panther's claw mauls Grommet.
Grommet has some big nasty wounds and scratches.

<176/925hp 723/728m 414/414mv 27152tnl segment defensive aggressive ocean> du ang
You wield 'Angelic', the winged stiletto in your off-hand.
'Angelic', the winged stiletto feels like a part of you!
Grommet has some big nasty wounds and scratches.

<176/935hp 723/728m 414/414mv 27152tnl segment defensive aggressive ocean>
You are caught off guard by Grommet's unusual maneuver.
Grommet's uncanny attack DISMEMBERS you!
You sure are BLEEDING!
A savage bolo dislodges your weapon!
Grommet rakes your weapon aside!
Grommet has some big nasty wounds and scratches.

<121/935hp 723/728m 414/414mv 27152tnl segment defensive aggressive ocean>
Grommet's grep decimates you!
You sure are BLEEDING!
You dodge Grommet's grep.
Your primary weapon has been raked aside!
Your primary weapon has been raked aside!
You gain control of your weapon.
A wild boar's charge wounds Grommet.
A large black panther's wild claw hits Grommet.
A large black panther's claw injures Grommet.
Grommet has some big nasty wounds and scratches.

<96/935hp 723/728m 414/414mv 27152tnl segment defensive aggressive ocean>
You are caught off guard by Grommet's unusual maneuver.
Grommet's uncanny attack devastates you!
You sure are BLEEDING!
A savage bolo dislodges your weapon!
Grommet rakes your weapon aside!
Grommet has some big nasty wounds and scratches.

<64/935hp 723/728m 414/414mv 27152tnl segment defensive aggressive ocean>
Grommet's wild grep injures you.
You sure are BLEEDING!
You parry Grommet's grep.
Your primary weapon has been raked aside!
Grommet awkwardly parries your pierce with a loud clang.
Your primary weapon has been raked aside!
You gain control of your weapon.
A wild boar's charge wounds Grommet.
A large black panther's claw mauls Grommet.
Grommet looks pretty hurt.

<50/935hp 723/728m 414/414mv 27152tnl segment defensive aggressive ocean> dis

You parry Grommet's grep.
You awkwardly parry Grommet's grep with a loud clang.
Your slash DISEMBOWELS Grommet!
Grommet deftly performs a counterbalance evasion.
Grommet couldn't dodge your slash but you miss by inches.
A large black panther's claw wounds Grommet.
A large black panther's claw misses Grommet.
Grommet looks pretty hurt.

<50/935hp 723/728m 414/414mv 27152tnl segment defensive aggressive ocean> You fail to disarm Grommet.
Grommet looks pretty hurt.

<50/935hp 723/728m 414/414mv 27152tnl segment defensive aggressive ocean>
You are caught off guard by Grommet's unusual maneuver.
Grommet's uncanny attack devastates you!
You sure are BLEEDING!
A savage bolo dislodges your weapon!
Grommet rakes your weapon aside!
Grommet looks pretty hurt.

<19/935hp 723/728m 414/414mv 27152tnl segment defensive aggressive ocean> dis

You manage to dodge Grommet's grep with a lot of effort.
Your primary weapon has been raked aside!
Grommet parries your pierce.
Your crush MUTILATES Grommet!
You gain control of your weapon.
A wild boar's charge mauls Grommet.
A large black panther's claw mauls Grommet.
A large black panther's wild claw hits Grommet.
Grommet is in awful condition.

<19/935hp 723/728m 414/414mv 27152tnl segment defensive aggressive ocean>
Grommet's wild grep DISMEMBERS you!
You have been KILLED!!

lmauge Untitled log -

sorry I got one concentrated attack

rezakhan Untitled log -

That was a really lengthy intro to a log showing that you suck. This fight had nothing to do with rangers sucking against thieves, and all to do with you sucking in this fight:
1) He was using sanc that whole time, unless pets have gotten much, much weaker.
2) You did not use sanc until the very end.
3) You stayed the whole time in weapon disadvantage to a rogue, which is where they thrive.
4) You did not attempt a single skill, until you had 50 hp left, at which point you decided the time was ripe to disarm. With 50 hp left, I want to reiterate.

A ranger, with two pets, fighting a thief straight up who missed his blackjack and doesn't get a backstab in, should win easily even without a single concentrated attack. This was just a terribly fought fight.

Nadrin Untitled log -

Yeah ranger with failed blackjack and full pets should rape thieves. i imagine you were missing weapons due to his blackjack but did you have nothing? and why not try to disarm sooner? no recals either? as a rule of thumb, carry multiple seashells, and if your going to fight on water wear one of them!

Vertas Untitled log -

This thief has a ton of hours for this month, you can guarantee that he has a lot mastered by now, I would say that trying to suck him in by making him think you don't have sanc is a good idea, but it might be smarter to pretend to flee and then go after him get his moves down a lot or trap him somehow.

I guess I didn't set up the background enough. He stole everyting, pryed the ring off my finger and my light. I had no recalls and 3 defenders left. As I said I was baiting him because I did not want him to run off because he would have easily been able to wear me down. You might not be able to tell from the log but yes the fight is on water so the only skill I could use is disarm. Like I said I did not want him to flee so I didn't do anything. Like I said earlier I should have switched to my exotic as that was one of the only weapons he had left, but I didn't think about it or the rescue. And again my thought process was hoping it would go down to the wire and I would win out. Of course I was beating him down in all of our skirmishes but this was the last one I logged on the water. Me with no boat no light but combat advantaged. I do not suck at this game, but I am no pro I just think from this very fight combat module is not working the way it should. How can you explain only getting 2 dual wielded attacks. I hit him a total of 7 times using two weapons and he hits me 11 times using 1 weapon. It just boggles my mind that this is fair.

sakik Untitled log -

Don't beat up on him too much. Other than sanc early, there wasn't much that he could've done to delay the inevitable.

I stripped him of his seashell (worn), his light, his sack, a recall, and a weapon while he was blackjacked. I was well aware he had Defenders, and equally aware he was stuck there. I would've fled if needed, but it turned out to be unnecessary.

Galurn Untitled log -

I think you're overreacting a but lmauge. But at the same time you have a point. There is a log of Galurn fighting Mthakik on here too. And again it came down to the wire with me in superior style, and a GIANT WARRIOR but I lost. So I can't say I don't agree with you. It seems like it's a little bit broken... When an avian ninja can not just stand up to, but BEAT a giant warrior toe to toe. Thats not right. Or a thief against a were-tiger ranger. It shouldn't be that way.. They have other ways they can win. But toe to toe shouldn't be one of them.

Ahh, didn't realize you were stuck on the water and couldn't move.

The thing is, then, the thief didn't beat you straight up--he beat you exactly like a thief ought to: stole a weapon, a light, recalls, a boat, and forced you to fight on his terms. If you could have moved around and fought him that way, you would have won easily, combat module or not. But he forced you into fighting the way he wanted you to, which is what a thief should do.

again you are still missing my point. He did fight me the way a thief is supposed to, but in the whole grand scheme of things, combat style should count for something. In this fight dual wielding vs counterbalance didn't mean shit. If you read the log I hit him twice with my offhand weapon, rangers aren't penalized with offhand. I know my hitroll was higher than his and I have 3 ranks on him. I never complained about combat modules but if you look at this fight its pretty obvious something needs tweaking

resatimm Untitled log -

Counter balance is a very usefull skill. And seeing that fight reminds me of why I had so much fun with my own thief back in the day... You were like andre the giant, and he was the little bug zipping around smacking you in the butt every time you turned around.

He played it perfectly. His luck was high, yours low, you had no boat, missing some weapons, etc, etc. I'd be curious to know what your dual wield was trained to. If it isnt 100% (even if it is, its not foolproof) you wont see it attack all that often.

so what is the point of combat modules if it is ineffective?

Garek Untitled log -

<742/935hp 715/728m 414/414mv 27152tnl segment defensive aggressive ocean> yawn
You must be tired.
Grommet has quite a few wounds.

I think that did you in.

ergorion Untitled log -

As people have been saying, against a rogue, weapon style is hella important. Let me show you why you didn't get that many hits on him.

Your primary weapon has been raked aside!
Grommet awkwardly parries your pierce with a loud clang.
Your primary weapon has been raked aside!
You gain control of your weapon.

His uncanny attack was raking your weapon aside. When your weapons are raked aside, you have 0% chance of hitting him with the raked weapon. Doesn't matter what your hitroll is. You sat there eating uncannies and crippling yourself. That's yet another factor that did you in.

Combat style isn't as big an issue here as you make it out to be.

jesus fucking christ is anyone reading what I am posting. I KNOW UNCANNY RAKES AWAY MY PRIMARY I AM DUAL WIELDING WHY ISN'T MY OFFHAND HITTING MORE!!!!!!!

Clifton BADDIES BEING BAD. NOTHING TO SEE HERE. -

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