37 warrior vs. 41 dk

posted on 2011-04-04 15:47:12
I know. This is a really vanilla log, but I just want to again inquire about the mechanics behind who gets to attack first in a round. This isn't the first time I've been screwed by the round order. I would imagine that if I had gotten first attacks, I wouldn't have been the one who died.



<593/593hp 323m 338mv> no opponent no opponent [road active] day 5280tnl quaff purple
You quaff a purple potion.
You aren't blind.
You are surrounded by a white aura.
You yell 'Help! I am being attacked by Nephrian!'
Nephrian fades into existence.
You dodge Nephrian's cleave.
You parry Nephrian's cleave.
Nephrian's cleave maims you!
Nephrian is in excellent condition.

<560/593hp 323m 338mv> shaft dual_wield [road evasive] day 5280tnl
A pikeman fades into existence.
A pikeman's charge misses you.
Nephrian's cleave misses you.
A young hawk's claw misses Nephrian.
A young hawk's claw misses Nephrian.
Your wrath mauls Nephrian.
Your wrath wounds Nephrian.
Your wrath wounds Nephrian.
Nephrian has a few scratches.

<560/593hp 323m 338mv> shaft dual_wield [road aggressive] day 5280tnl
Nephrian kicks dirt in your eyes!
Nephrian's kicked dirt grazes you.
You can't see a thing!

<555/593hp 323m 338mv> unknown unknown [unknown aggressive] day 5280tnl disarm
You fail to disarm someone.
You rub the dirt out of your eyes.
A pikeman's charge misses you.
A pikeman's charge misses you.
You couldn't dodge Nephrian's cleave but he misses by inches.
You awkwardly parry Nephrian's cleave with a loud clang.
You block Nephrian's attack with your shield.
A young hawk's claw misses Nephrian.
A young hawk's wild claw scratches Nephrian.
Your wrath wounds Nephrian.
Your wrath decimates Nephrian!
Your wrath mauls Nephrian.
Nephrian has some small wounds and bruises.
<555/593hp 323m 338mv> shaft dual_wield [road aggressive] day 5280tnl
A pikeman's charge misses you.
You deflect a pikeman's charge aside in an ungraceful parry.
You block Nephrian's attack with your shield.
You block Nephrian's attack and attempt to strike at the brief opening.
Your riposte injures Nephrian.
A young hawk's claw grazes Nephrian.
Your wrath wounds Nephrian.
Your wrath mauls Nephrian.
Nephrian has quite a few wounds.

<555/593hp 323m 338mv> shaft dual_wield [road aggressive] day 5280tnl
Nephrian utters the words, 'diesilla barh'.
Nephrian's lightning bolt MUTILATES you!
Nephrian has quite a few wounds.

<514/593hp 323m 338mv> shaft dual_wield [road aggressive] day 5280tnl dirt

You parry a pikeman's charge.
Nephrian's cleave devastates you!
You parry Nephrian's pierce.
You have become better at parry!
Nephrian's cleave devastates you!
Nephrian's cleave decimates you!
A young hawk's claw misses Nephrian.
A young hawk's claw misses Nephrian.
Your wrath wounds Nephrian.
Your wild wrath hits Nephrian.
Nephrian has quite a few wounds.

<426/593hp 323m 338mv> shaft dual_wield [road aggressive] day 5279tnl Nephrian is blinded by the dirt in his eyes!
Your kicked dirt scratches Nephrian.
Nephrian has quite a few wounds.

<426/593hp 323m 338mv> shaft dual_wield [road aggressive] day 5279tnl
Nephrian utters the words, 'diesilla barh'.
Nephrian's lightning bolt mauls you.
Nephrian has quite a few wounds.

<404/593hp 323m 338mv> shaft dual_wield [road aggressive] day 5279tnl
You block a pikeman's attack with your shield.
You dodge Nephrian's cleave.
Nephrian's cleave misses you.
Nephrian's cleave misses you.
A young hawk's claw grazes Nephrian.
Your wrath wounds Nephrian.
Your wild wrath grazes Nephrian.
Nephrian has quite a few wounds.

<404/593hp 323m 338mv> shaft dual_wield [road aggressive] day 5279tnl
Nephrian utters the words, 'diesilla barh'.
Nephrian's lightning bolt decimates you!
Nephrian has quite a few wounds.

<376/593hp 323m 338mv> shaft dual_wield [road aggressive] day 5279tnl disarm

You parry a pikeman's charge with an easy flourish.
A pikeman's charge misses you.
You couldn't dodge Nephrian's cleave but he misses by inches.
Nephrian's cleave misses you.
You awkwardly parry Nephrian's cleave with a loud clang.
A young hawk's wild claw scratches Nephrian.
Your wrath wounds Nephrian.
Your wrath injures Nephrian.
Your wrath injures Nephrian.
Nephrian has quite a few wounds.

<376/593hp 323m 338mv> shaft dual_wield [road aggressive] day 5279tnl You fail to disarm Nephrian.
Nephrian has quite a few wounds.

<376/593hp 323m 338mv> shaft dual_wield [road aggressive] day 5279tnl
Nephrian utters the words, 'diesilla barh'.
Nephrian's lightning bolt MUTILATES you!
Nephrian has quite a few wounds.

<334/593hp 323m 338mv> shaft dual_wield [road aggressive] day 5279tnl
You deflect a pikeman's charge aside in an ungraceful parry.
A pikeman gets a wild look in his eyes.
Nephrian's cleave misses you.
A young hawk's claw misses Nephrian.
A young hawk's claw grazes Nephrian.
Your wrath wounds Nephrian.
Your wild wrath maims Nephrian!
Your wrath wounds Nephrian.
Nephrian has some big nasty wounds and scratches.

<334/593hp 323m 338mv> shaft dual_wield [road aggressive] day 5279tnl
Nephrian utters the words, 'diesilla barh'.
Nephrian's lightning bolt maims you!
Nephrian has some big nasty wounds and scratches.

<299/593hp 323m 338mv> shaft dual_wield [road aggressive] day 5279tnl
The sun slowly disappears in the west.
Your victory rush wears off.
The white aura around Nephrian fades.
Nephrian has some big nasty wounds and scratches.

<308/593hp 326m 378mv> shaft dual_wield [road aggressive] dusk 5279tnl
Nephrian rubs the dirt out of his eyes.
You parry a pikeman's charge.
Your shield absorbs the impact of a pikeman's charge easily.
You parry Nephrian's cleave.
Your shield fails to deflect the powerful cleave from Nephrian's axe.
Nephrian's cleave devastates you!
A young hawk's claw misses Nephrian.
A young hawk's claw misses Nephrian.
Your wrath devastates Nephrian!
Nephrian has some big nasty wounds and scratches.

<278/593hp 326m 378mv> shaft dual_wield [road aggressive] dusk 5279tnl trip
Your trip misses Nephrian.
Nephrian has some big nasty wounds and scratches.

<278/593hp 326m 378mv> shaft dual_wield [road aggressive] dusk 5279tnl
Nephrian has fled!
Nephrian walks east.
An undead slave walks east.
A pikeman has fled!
A pikeman walks north.

<278/593hp 326m 378mv> no opponent no opponent [road aggressive] dusk 5279tnl murder $$
murder $$

Nephrian walks in.
An undead slave walks in.

<278/593hp 326m 378mv> no opponent no opponent [road aggressive] dusk 5279tnl
You yell 'Help! I am being attacked by Nephrian!'
Your shield jolts under Nephrian's cleave, but holds.
Nephrian's pierce wounds you.
Nephrian has some big nasty wounds and scratches.

<260/593hp 326m 378mv> shaft dual_wield [road aggressive] dusk 5279tnl You do the best you can!
Nephrian's cleave decimates you!
You manage to dodge Nephrian's cleave with a lot of effort.
You dodge Nephrian's pierce.
Your wrath misses Nephrian.
Nephrian parries your wrath.
Nephrian has some big nasty wounds and scratches.

<234/593hp 326m 378mv> shaft dual_wield [road aggressive] dusk 5279tnl flee
You flee from combat!
You lost 10 experience points.

<234/593hp 326m 368mv> no opponent no opponent [field aggressive] dusk 5289tnl murder $$
Nephrian yells 'Help! I am being attacked by Brooman!'
Your wrath wounds Nephrian.
Your wrath injures Nephrian.
Your wrath mauls Nephrian.
Nephrian has some big nasty wounds and scratches.

<234/593hp 326m 368mv> shaft dual_wield [field aggressive] dusk 5289tnl
You grip your shield firmly, staving off a pikeman's charge.
You dodge Nephrian's cleave.
You block Nephrian's attack and attempt to strike at the brief opening.
Your riposte hits Nephrian.
Your wrath mauls Nephrian.
Your wrath injures Nephrian.
Nephrian looks pretty hurt.

<234/593hp 326m 368mv> shaft dual_wield [field aggressive] dusk 5289tnl
Nephrian utters the words, 'yucandusbarr'.
A young hawk yells 'Help! Nephrian just filled the room with fire!'
Nephrian's fireball === OBLITERATES === a young hawk!
Nephrian's fireball *** DEMOLISHES *** you!
You sure are BLEEDING!
Nephrian looks pretty hurt.

<130/593hp 326m 368mv> shaft dual_wield [field aggressive] dusk 5289tnl
You block a pikeman's attack and attempt to strike at the brief opening.
Your riposte MUTILATES a pikeman!
You dodge Nephrian's cleave.
Nephrian's pierce wounds you.
You sure are BLEEDING!
A young hawk's claw misses Nephrian.
A young hawk's claw misses Nephrian.
Your wrath wounds Nephrian.
Your wild wrath grazes Nephrian.
Your wrath wounds Nephrian.
Nephrian looks pretty hurt.

<110/593hp 326m 368mv> shaft dual_wield [field aggressive] dusk 5289tnl flee
You flee from combat!
You lost 10 experience points.
The Plains

[Exits: north south]
A young hawk flies in.

<110/593hp 326m 366mv> no opponent no opponent [field aggressive] dusk 5299tnl s
The Lane

[Exits: north south]
(Invis) (Charmed) (Red Aura) Worked to death many years ago, this cursed slave keeps going relentlessly.
(Charmed) A pikeman stands steady at his position.
(White Aura) (Red Aura) Nephrian is here.
A young hawk flies in.

<110/593hp 326m 364mv> no opponent no opponent [field aggressive] dusk 5299tnl w
s
Alas, you cannot go that way.
You yell 'Help! I am being attacked by Nephrian!'
You parry Nephrian's cleave.
You block Nephrian's attack and attempt to strike at the brief opening.
Your riposte hits Nephrian.
Nephrian looks pretty hurt.

<110/593hp 326m 364mv> shaft dual_wield [field aggressive] dusk 5299tnl No way! You are still fighting!
You block a pikeman's attack with your shield.
You block a pikeman's attack with your shield.
Nephrian's cleave decimates you!
You sure are BLEEDING!
You nimbly dodge Nephrian's pierce with a practiced maneuver.
Nephrian's cleave devastates you!
You sure are BLEEDING!
Your wrath injures Nephrian.
Your wrath wounds Nephrian.
Nephrian is in awful condition.

<53/593hp 326m 364mv> shaft dual_wield [field aggressive] dusk 5299tnl bers
Your pulse races as you are consumed by rage!
Nephrian is in awful condition.

<116/593hp 163m 182mv> shaft dual_wield [field aggressive] dusk 5299tnl
Nephrian utters the words, 'pabraw'.
Nephrian's harm spell MUTILATES you!
You sure are BLEEDING!
You block a pikeman's attack and attempt to strike at the brief opening.
Your riposte MUTILATES a pikeman!
You dodge Nephrian's cleave.
Nephrian's cleave mauls you.
You sure are BLEEDING!
Your wrath mauls Nephrian.
Nephrian is in awful condition.

<53/593hp 163m 182mv> shaft dual_wield [field aggressive] dusk 5299tnl dirt
Your kicked dirt misses Nephrian.
Nephrian is in awful condition.

<53/593hp 163m 182mv> shaft dual_wield [field aggressive] dusk 5299tnl
You block a pikeman's attack and attempt to strike at the brief opening.
Your riposte MUTILATES a pikeman!
You awkwardly parry Nephrian's cleave with a loud clang.
Your wrath mauls Nephrian.
Your wrath mauls Nephrian.
Nephrian is in awful condition.

<53/593hp 163m 182mv> shaft dual_wield [field aggressive] dusk 5299tnl
Nephrian utters the words, 'diesilla barh'.
Nephrian's lightning bolt devastates you!
You sure are BLEEDING!
Nephrian is in awful condition.

<24/593hp 163m 182mv> shaft dual_wield [field aggressive] dusk 5299tnl
You awkwardly parry a pikeman's charge with a loud clang.
You dance around a pikeman's charge and easily dodge it.
You block a pikeman's attack with your shield.
Nephrian's cleave mauls you.
You are stunned, but will probably recover.
You have been KILLED!!

You turn into an invincible ghost for a few minutes.
As long as you don't attack anything.
  1. Voltron 37 warrior vs. 41 dk -
    I've always wondered that too. And I think it's whoever initiated. When you initiate your attacks happen, then theirs. For the entirety of the skirmish. Once you flee and re initiate it resets and whoever initiated gets their attacks first every round. This isn't concrete though. Just a deduction I made based off very little evidence. Lol.
  2. Shadok 37 warrior vs. 41 dk -
    I think I found a flaw in your logic, Voltron.

    If you'll notice:

    You flee from combat!
    You lost 10 experience points.

    <234/593hp 326m 368mv> no opponent no opponent [field aggressive] dusk 5289tnl murder $$
    Nephrian yells 'Help! I am being attacked by Brooman!'
    Your wrath wounds Nephrian.
    Your wrath injures Nephrian.
    Your wrath mauls Nephrian.
    Nephrian has some big nasty wounds and scratches.

    <234/593hp 326m 368mv> shaft dual_wield [field aggressive] dusk 5289tnl
    You grip your shield firmly, staving off a pikeman's charge.
    You dodge Nephrian's cleave.
    You block Nephrian's attack and attempt to strike at the brief opening.
    Your riposte hits Nephrian.
    Your wrath mauls Nephrian.
    Your wrath injures Nephrian.
    Nephrian looks pretty hurt.

    The dk's attacks still stacked first.

    This could be the case, but this is only an assumption to the question that's been asked more than once.

    Perhaps the first person to attack (causing the initial adrenaline becomes the first to produce damage in combat) the "defender".

    In this case: (Pulled from another log)

    Oceralin recites a scroll.
    You yell 'Die, Oceralin, you sorcerous dog!'
    You yell 'Die! Oceralin, you sorcerous dog!'
    Your cleave devastates Oceralin!
    Oceralin's shield jolts under your cleave, but holds.

    The scroll recited doesn't initialize pk adrenaline, but Norstith's attack does giving him the first offensive and showing that his attack is first on the stack as seen here:

    Your cleave mauls Oceralin.
    Your cleave misses Oceralin.
    Your tail hits Oceralin.
    Oceralin's magic maims you!
    You dodge Oceralin's magic.
    Oceralin has quite a few wounds.

    Then in the case of pure combat: (also pulled from another log)

    You yell 'Help! Yimbari kicked dirt into my eyes!'
    Yimbari kicks dirt in your eyes!
    Yimbari's kicked dirt grazes you.
    You can't see a thing!

    Above is first initiation of a combat skill and the round goes as follows:

    Someone dodges your beating.
    You have become better at blind fighting!
    Someone's wrath MASSACRES you!
    Someone's pierce misses you.
    Someone's wrath misses you.
    You dodge someone's bite.
    Someone's bite maims you!

    But after all of this explaining my theory, I have just proven my own logic is flawed as well. You see in the same log as above this happens upon Norstith fleeing and re-initiating:

    Your beating MUTILATES Yimbari!
    Your beating maims Yimbari!
    Your beating maims Yimbari!
    Yimbari's wrath maims you!
    Yimbari's pierce mauls you.
    You block Yimbari's attack with your shield.
    You dodge a large wolf's bite.
    A large wolf's bite injures you.
    Yimbari has quite a few wounds.

    Now I don't even have a clue how it is determined, but maybe my insight can help someone else in seeing what the case really is if any. If not, and it's totally random, then we've all wasted our breath. Thanks to your theory I actually began to pay attention to combat rounds instead of just seeing red words flash up and scare the hell out of me. Lol.

    Sorry for the long, long post. :)
  3. Voltron 37 warrior vs. 41 dk -
    Oh good call Shadok. Like I said, I didn't look into it much. Just a quick assumption. I, as it seems you are, were hoping that my deduction would get someone else started on figuring it out. lol. You took it a step further though and actually looked further into it then I did.
  4. Norstith 37 warrior vs. 41 dk -
    Hitroll and dexterity play a part, but so does luck I thiink
  5. ergorion 37 warrior vs. 41 dk -
    Brooman clearly wins the dex comparison, and from how much the hits are different even though Nephrian had style superiority, I would think Brooman had a higher hitroll too. Luck would have to play a huge role then.
  6. Jurlest 37 warrior vs. 41 dk -
    DKs never win if you LAG SKILL them.
    DKs never win if you have advantages in weapon and/or style.

    Put those two together for autowin.

    <299/593hp 323m 338mv> shaft dual_wield [road aggressive] day 5279tnl
    The sun slowly disappears in the west.
    Your victory rush wears off.
    The white aura around Nephrian fades.
    Nephrian has some big nasty wounds and scratches.


    bash here and he would've been done.

    You went for a disarm, while in sword and shield status vs two weapon. I believe that two weapon vs 1h and shield makes disarm weaker.

    In fact, I believe that disarm works like this.

    If you have two hander, you can disarm dual wielder, if you have dual wield, you can disarm 1h and shield, if you have 1h and shield, you can disarm two hand.

    basically, if already have an advantage, you can disarm, but then you waste the potential of using something more worthwhile, like hobble to stop fleeing, or a lag skill to keep an enemy getting hit harder and more often with concentration. disarm could be said to be a skill on par with magic missile now. it just doesn't compare in a fight against skills like hobble or lagging due to combat module. Look at high level play and you don't see it, unless its autodisarm from a different skill.

    one successful bash anywhere in this log and he'd be dead. no cast = dead hybrid, rapes paladins or dks.

    dunno why he was dirt kicking you, he should know his opponent by race to see thats a waste of lag time, unless there's a specific reason to try it and PRAY it lasts longer, such as you being disarmed or some other very bad thing.

    you stayed with a shield vs an axe.

    you had a shitty repost.

    <110/593hp 326m 364mv> no opponent no opponent [field aggressive] dusk 5299tnl w
    s
    Alas, you cannot go that way.
    You yell 'Help! I am being attacked by Nephrian!'
    You parry Nephrian's cleave.
    You block Nephrian's attack and attempt to strike at the brief opening.
    Your riposte hits Nephrian.
    Nephrian looks pretty hurt.

    there is very bad luck in play here, as well as a mountain of simple things that could've been done. bash spam would've seen you win even if you kept your 1h and shield vs two weapons and an axe.

    I hope this helps some. You should really own this guy next time.. hands down, for a warrior against a dk. downgrade to two weapon for dual parry and watch the rape fly.
  7. Voltron 37 warrior vs. 41 dk -
    You're right Jurlest about dual wielding being the best style to disarm in, against shield, or even dual wielding. Two hand is good against dual wielding also. But disarming someone using a two handed weapon is hard/really hard even when using a shield.

    I've also decided, awhile ago, that disarm is really worthless. It doesn't lag the receiver and there's no penalty for them just instantly re-wearing the weapon. So it's dumb. For a warrior, using a shield, it's not so bad, because they get spin bash, which does lag them, and then creates an opening to lead into with some other skill. Of course disarm while using a shield is less likely to land then any other style. So you're better off just screwing it all together.