Blindness dust is OP

1. shadok Blindness dust is OP -
   Number of things wrong with your tactics.
   
   1. Abducted too early.
   2. Instead of dirting, hobble. (Mthakik was flying)
   3. While blinded you could've tried to bash to lag Mthakik from doing those painful sidesteps.
   4. Type affect to see how many rounds dust lasts.
   5. Shed your skin, if you hadn't already.
   
   I'm sure the response to this will be something like this.
   
   1. Tried to keep Mthakik into a tight area to keep her from running.
   2. I always go for dirt first? (Not sure on this one)
   3. If I missed a bash I would be lagged for 3 rounds and would've died. (Not that you wouldn't have anyway, right?)
   4. Things were happening too fast and I was just frozen looking at the screen to type affect/score.
   5. I already shed my skin, Shadok. You're such a tard.
   
   Don't know why I broke it down like that, probably because I just drank an energy drink and i'm all hyped up on the sugar.
   
   All in all it just seems like you didn't try to prevent Mthakik from doing any of his skills by trying to lag her. She was flying, should've charged. You were blinded, should've fled/bashed (IMO). Etc. etc.
   
   I need to lay off the energy drinks, unless I'm about to work out..
2. Schist Blindness dust is OP -
   Abduct owns the abducter if both hps aren't similar. so if you wait to abduct and happen to have more hp, you eat an eradicate. And that's not fun. Also, bash is less accurate when they are flying. Also less accurate when You are blind. Also less accurate when you only have 20 strength. Also, it's terribly inaccurate to begin with. The chances of him landing a bash under the circumstances were so low that it wasn't worth it. Atleast in my opinion. Other then that you made sense.
3. Norstith Blindness dust is OP -
   My reponse...
   
   1. Agreed, abducted too early.
   2. Tried to dirt once realized it wouldn.t work so tried to hobble... I was already disarmed, couldnt hobbld.
   3. Havent had any luck with bashing so generally I dont.
   4. I know how long dust lasts.
   5. Shed has a 60 hour lag. Still had like half that left.
   
   Overall, I should of done this differently...
4. innedus Blindness dust is OP -
   I was a little surprised how fast that Mthakik recovered from the failed strangle. What is interesting about this log is how powerful that a two hander is in the hands of a thief / ninja. Maybe next fight wear a shield so that you can sideswipe and force her into either one weapon or dual wielding. I would also exploit the fact that she is an avian and use it against her.
5. Shadok Blindness dust is OP -
   That does make alot of sense, Innedus. Doesn't a ninja have to be counterbalanced to use a skill: Clobber, Sidestep, and Uncanny? I know you can sideswipe a person just wearing a one hander and nothing else, so you could probably just sideswipe them unless counterbalance somehow stops that.
6. Voltron Blindness dust is OP -
   Counterbalance dodges sideswipes. So that doesn't work. Hobble eliminates their weapon skills. Other then that they can use them dual wielding or two handed. In fact, clobber and uncanny both are MORE powerful when used with a two handed weapon. But it makes it so they only have dodge and parry. The combo of really long lasting blindness dust that is really hard to prevent, and weapon switch/rogue skill is very powerful. But had Norstith landed a hobble right after the dust landed, she couldn't use any weapon skills. And she'd lose her dodge ability, atleast slightly. Which would turn the fight in his favor considerably. But not to the point where Mthakik wouldn't have a chance. And she should have a chance, having landed dust. So while blindness dust is very powerful, and perhaps OP. It isn't impossible to counter. Atleast not for a warrior. Other classes though... yikes.
7. innedus Blindness dust is OP -
   I should have proof read my statement a little closer. I usually wear a shield or dual wield when fighting ninjas. If I get blinded, I still have extra defenses until it wears off. This was definately the worse case, only one defense for Norstith when he got disarmed from the two hander.
   
   Voltron and Shadok think about what your saying with regards to counterbalance. Counterbalance does dodge sideswipe, but a ninja is only counterbalanced with a weapon in one hand. Using a two hander or dual wielding causes a ninja to not be counterbalaced so the sideswipe is possible. When you get blinded like that you have to buy as much time as possible so that it will wear off. More defenses = more time.
8. Voltron Blindness dust is OP -
   Shadok said to sideswipe when they were counterbalanced, unless counterbalance "somehow stops it." I told him it does. Yeah you can sideswipe when they're two handed. You can't why they're dual wielding Innedus. Come on man. It's the same as anyone else. The dual weapon cuts it off and then they strike.
   The best thing to do when dusted is try and flee it off and get lucky. Or hobble so they can't weapon skill you and still get lucky. Hobble, then reflex. Or flee and hope you can run it off. You can sideswipe if you know for a fact they're two handed. And you happen to have a shield. But they can switch weapons. Like to a dagger and counterbalance to sidestep you. Which means your sideswipe got you raped and lagged. So sorry Innedus. But I'm not going to agree with you.
   
   Mthakik's two handed uncanny disarmed him, and lagged him. Had he typed in sideswipe, he would've landed a sideswipe right before or right after she switched to a dagger. If he landed it before then awesome, he get's one sideswipe damage and one round of raked weapons, then she switches and sidesteps him. If it landed after she switched, he gets raped even harder. Hobble and reflex are the answer. Heck, winding kick once you're reflexed if there's that much time. Bring down their strength and dex too. But sideswipe probably isn't going to work.
9. innedus Blindness dust is OP -
   You might be right about the dual wield, I am going to test it out for myself. He couldn't hobble because of being disarmed. Before we state that things are overpowered, you should look at the whole picture. This is a worse case example for a blind warrior fighting a ninja, being blinded and being backed into a corner is usually a winning combo for any opponent.
10. Voltron Blindness dust is OP -
    I know. I was describing every situation. Not just this one.
    
    And I think I'm that one that is saying dust isn't necessarily OP. "So while blindness dust is very powerful, and perhaps OP. It isn't impossible to counter." ya know? Cause like you said, back them into a corner, blind them, disarm them. Any class wins when that happens.
11. blarg Blindness dust is OP -
    In the confined space, you have to reflex and hope for the best. If it's not confined, reflex and wait for him to use a skill, then flee right away and escape during the lag.
12. xenyar Blindness dust is OP -
    Every time i've seen, heard or read of somebody getting abducted(whether you abduct or get abducted) and a blindness dust lands, no matter if the blindness or abduct is first, the one who lands the blindness dust Always wins. If your a ninja and land blindness dust, then abduct them, that is by far the most powerful combo of all blind dust senarios. Then again, thats the advantage of being a ninja in Legion.
13. stephen OK I\\'m dumb -
    Gyvel potions - what am I missing? Don't they work on blindness dust?
    
14. shadok Blindness dust is OP -
    They do not work on dust. They used to, but were changed from not healing it because it is a physical means of blinding. Which if that is the case, then wearing mal-saves/breaks doesn't make sense to me, but whatever.
15. stephen Blindness dust is OP -
    nasty... How long does lvl 50 blindness dust last?
    
16. Shadok Blindness dust is OP -
    I am not sure, but it was 9 rounds before Norstith decided to flee. I've seen dirt last up to 6 rounds, but if Norstith didn't flee maybe he would've rubbed it out. Not that it would have mattered at this point.
    
    All in all, 9 rounds seems outrageous to me. At this point, blindness dust is more deadly than blind and dirt in my opinion. On top of that you have the skills that disarm, and that is a deadly combo.
    
    My only real question is: Shouldn't the reptilian eyes do the same thing for blindness dust as they do for dirt? They're both a physical means of blinding, even if dust can be boosted by mal breaks.
17. blarg Blindness dust is OP -
    Slith already naturally resist mal as well as dirt.
18. Schist Blindness dust is OP -
    I've had blindness dust last over 14 rounds on me before. So..
19. Shadok Blindness dust is OP -
    @ Blarg- Didn't really answer my question. Just stating the fact that a message pops up for dirt:
    
    Norstith's reptilian eyes are unaffected.
    Your dirt kick misses Norstith.
    
    Naturally resisting a mal and physically resisting are two different things. Dust is physical, as is dirt. Why doesn't the reptillian eye's kick in for dust? Just asking because I want to better understand.
    
    @ Schist- That is just insane. Did you not flee? That will add to the length of dust.
20. Schist Blindness dust is OP -
    I can't remember.. one of us fled. Sometimes I get lucky enough that they flee even though I'm blind. So I can't say for sure. But I probably fled to make it last longer. But still..
21. blarg Blindness dust is OP -
    Slith dirt message is there for flavor. Dirt is a unique skill that already needed work done to it to adjust for slith, so it took about 6 seconds to add the message. Blindness dust is one of many mals that slith resist. You don't get a special message when you fail to poison or plague a slith either, just like you don't get a message saying:
    
    Why are you trying to flame arrow a dwarf?
    Your flame arrow injures Trogm.
22. norstith Blindness dust is OP -
    lol, why WOULD you flame arrow a dwarf? Jet Steam FTW!