Caidolese vs Xirkrix

1. joker Caidolese vs Xirkrix -
   prolly gonna start whining and saying necro's are too powerful now huh?
2. caidolese Caidolese vs Xirkrix -
   Hey, Joker. Stfu. If you have anything useful to say, then you may speak again.
3. joker Caidolese vs Xirkrix -
   prolly gonna start whining and saying necro's are too powerful now huh?
4. caidolese Caidolese vs Xirkrix -
   I have not said any class is OP in these logs, I have been advocating for changes to invokers and the iron vuln, that is all.
5. ergorion Caidolese vs Xirkrix -
   They (being imms) have been talking about re-doing invokers for a while now. They realize there's an issue and they'll get around to it.
   
   One suggestion might be try chain lightning rather than hellstream against a necro. Also, I don't know what sort of equipment you are in to be doing injures with max hp of 600, but I would invest in some hp gear.
   
   By settling for such low hp, you're just begging to get destroyed by rng.
6. oreno Caidolese vs Xirkrix -
   I dunno if its elves, or you but you aren't defending against any attacks. Is your d mastered? if you read the log between morgit and oreno you see it came down to the wire and he was defending a lot of my attacks, same thing with eloret I barely hit them and my hit dam was like 27 37. maybe next fight post your shield block and parry % and use a mace, and see what happens, but it seriously looks like elves are broken or you need to practice your defense
7. caidolese Caidolese vs Xirkrix -
   was wearing a mace. parry mastered, shield block 93 i think.
8. oreno Caidolese vs Xirkrix -
   hmmm well I have never played an invoker, but I fought a lot of them, never really had a problem fighting them unless they went really offensive, but just going balls to the wall hell stream. Like someone else said, get more hp gear, try and max hit roll for optimum parry. Train that shield block, better than average wisdom should help with shield block with crap con and crap strength for parry. But I would forget any dam roll eq and just mass hp and hitroll gear. hope u stick with it, we all deleted don't be like us!
9. caidolese Caidolese vs Xirkrix -
   I agree that with hp eq, which I have now, I can survive longer. That does not mean I can win more, just survive.
10. morgit Caidolese vs Xirkrix -
    Xirkrix had full zombies and pretty good gear to be doing dismembers through sanc with rend life. You immediately spammed hellstream after dispel, so you didn't have a chance to flee at all. Decked necro+full zombies+low hp target that lags themselves=
    
    well... this log.
11. ergorion Caidolese vs Xirkrix -
    Survive longer = more spells cast = more damage dealt = higher chance of winning.
    
    Also: MEDIC SCROLLS and RESTORER WANDS
12. Shaun Caidolese vs Xirkrix -
    Agreed with the hp items, just sucks if you lose them all... for an elven invoker there are quite a few, even all the way at drows place.
13. bladefurry Caidolese vs Xirkrix -
    And bitching about the vulns or an elf it was changed for drow as well so its not just you everyone else seems to be doing alright this is the third or fourth log where the new change to vulns is brought up complaining..
14. Kapruski Caidolese vs Xirkrix -
    (I dunno if its elves, or you but you aren't defending against any attacks. Is your d mastered? if you read the log between morgit and oreno you see it came down to the wire and he was defending a lot of my attacks, same thing with eloret )
    
    I've played too many elves and drow. Their defenses are shittastic. I believe there's a point made about how STR affects parry in some thread on the legit forums. Either about how to rank a mage or why is ranking so hard or something.
    
    Anyway, this is normal low str defense behavior. I can claim this with absolute certainty. I had a thing for the elv invoker/pal/ill drow war/invok/dk before I gave up on them.
    
    Remember that their prime race defense is dex based.
    
    (\tprolly gonna start whining and saying necro's are too powerful now huh?)
    
    they get to be ridiculously overpowering because it takes 3 hours to set them up. I don't know why it makes sense, but you're running a gauntlet of huge time sink to get cheese kills. If I stay on 24 hours with a special class made to be useless until 24 hours is up, I'd like to 1 hit kill anyone in my pk, following the logic of necros of course.
    
    They do happen to be the only class that can have charmies higher than level 50. Ills and dks cant charm or dupe anything higher than their level. Look up necros of the past, theres one on the tip of my tongue like Deminos or something who was a justice necro and basically ran the mud for a while. he was single handedly responsible for the new justice rule that a justice shouldn't start fights and then bring it back to seringale, for obvious reasons.
    
    I dont know how much its possible, but try to use the racial autosneak. it must be powerful given the huge exp hole, and then a vuln thrown in a swell with no exp cost reduction.
    
    Here's what Im calling: Elves and drow are horrendously underrepresented in the high ranks as anything but ninja/thief.
    
    Of the 34 elves, about 4 are actually active. of the 64 drow, about 10 are actually active. Im In game often enough at the various peak times that I can quote the numbers with some accuracy. barring xenyar, who did average pk wise where someone of his skill with a fire giant would have dominated, where are the elf and drow warriors? Even their racial dex advantage doesn't make up for whatever they are lacking. When it comes to casters, people say they get a larger mana pool and equal health to a human. Thats all well and good except that less defenses because of low stats in the only defense(s) that a caster class has means that your health still goes down faster than a human's.
    
    I'm pointing out that this kind of hosing is normal. its less to do with the vuln, although it can be argued that it broke the camels back.
    
    It just doesn't seem like the imms to throw on a game changer like vuln to all wielded weapons, when they previously acknowledged in other threads that rangers carving items into vuln material and using a rare bow for extreme damage was so powerful that the carved arrows of vuln material should be made rare. And then that vuln to material can be shut down with a shield.
    
    Now this vuln was added by them and it cannot be shut down. It also doesn't seem right that the imms would respond to Ygin's dominance with letting all material vuln do more damage, even a small one. Were they snooping Ygin and came to this conclusion?
    
    Fire giants and human necros also dominate. There wasn't any vuln addition to them (although I could imagine a vuln to life/light for necros).
    
    So what's left as the reason to why the vuln was changed to all weapons? Maybe what they wanted is to stir more people to play elf/drow actively, people looking for a challenge, as an inelegant way to patchwork a solution to soem vets feeling bored and these races being underrepresented at higher ranks.
    
    I really can't imagine any other reason why the vuln change was considered, since we already know that these races have the lowest health and parry/block defenses.
15. Shaun Caidolese vs Xirkrix -
    I must say, an elven invoker can sneak around better than anyone... except maybe a drow. Elven invoker should hellstream like a warrior flee's and murders... (IMO)
16. Vertas Caidolese vs Xirkrix -
    It was Deiminos, and the guy who played him was insane... Was the last Warlord imm and for the life of me I can't remember his name...
17. deadzero Caidolese vs Xirkrix -
    Louis/sethronu?
18. Kapruski Caidolese vs Xirkrix -
    (Elven invoker should hellstream like a warrior flee's and murders... (IMO))
    
    hellstream causes you to eat two rounds for damage thats slightly more powerful than flame arrow.
19. Kapruski Caidolese vs Xirkrix -
    and austosneak is only really good for evasion and maybe getting first murders or casts. Its not nearly as big of a racial advantage as you might think. spamming murder is the simplest way to counter it. autosneak is a racial that makes up for the lack of hp, but then you still deal with the inferior defenses.
    
    on the other side of the coin would e giants. they have a vuln that owns them because they get huge health, but then they can fall back on extremely potent parry and moderately good shield block. Its a good thing they cant be invokers. We'd never see anything else,
20. Shaun Caidolese vs Xirkrix -
    Im not sure what your experience with hellstream is, but if you have been hit with hellstream from an invoker with a high afflicative break and catches you with sanc off too boot... Yeah, that will put a MUCH BIGGER dent than a f'ing flame arrow... as for the autosneak, have you ever tried to catch an elf running back and forth from right to left of you... you can sometimes see them walk in, most of the time you cannot... thats why they call it AUTOSNEAK because you dont have to sneak like thieves... its the MOST UNDESTIMATED racial ability out there... take it for what its worth, because it is by far not as important to you, as it is to a smart elf
21. Kapruski Caidolese vs Xirkrix -
    spam murder counters autosneak.
    faerie fire/fog counters autosneak, and theres armors out there that provide 2 dex AND cast faerie fire. imagine that on a warrior who is -2 dex from all the red dragon.
    hobble counters autosneak, they are just as visible walking into a room as anyone else.
    since the first age, standing in a dark room or area and removing light counters sneak.
    
    savebreaks don't magnify damage beyond their maximum non saved potential. A savebreak hellstream will do just as much damage to a 0 affsave as a nonsavebreak will do to a 0 affsave.
    
    you're qualifying what I said. hellstream is good for unsanc hits. Trust me, if you sit there spamming hellstream expecting to win, you won't.
    
    Its a spell that requires as much planned use as any other. And it lags for 1.5 rounds, so you can divide that hellstream damage for 2 rounds, because that's what you'll be taking in damage for casting hellstream.
    
    what is an annilihate divided by 2 rounds? two disemembers?
22. Vertas Caidolese vs Xirkrix -
    Yeah it was Sethronu, I believe I quit when Warlords got canned...
    
    It used to be you could get away with spamming your nuke spell (acid blast, hellstream, whatever) but Kapruski's right, there's more strategy in it now, its like bash or whatever other skills in the game there are times when you can use it, and times when its stupid to use it.