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ou parry Caidolese's slash with an easy flourish.
You nimbly dodge Caidolese's slash with a practiced maneuver.
Caidolese is unaffected by your slash!
Caidolese has some small wounds and bruises.

<680/917hp(858)390/394mv[road](5874)dawn(blade.defensive)aggressive> You spin about while launching a volley of javelins.
Some iron pilums bounces harmlessly off Caidolese's protective shield.
Some iron pilums bounces harmlessly off Caidolese's protective shield.
Caidolese is unaffected by your pierce!
Caidolese has some small wounds and bruises.

<680/917hp(858)390/394mv[road](5874)dawn(blade.defensive)aggressive>
Caidolese utters the words, 'wzhzaf gxabraw'.
Caidolese summons forth a meteor swarm.
Furgerson the battle-trained falcon yells 'Help! Caidolese just filled the room with meteors!'
Caidolese's meteor swarm mauls Furgerson the battle-trained falcon.
Caidolese's meteor swarm injures you.
Caidolese has some small wounds and bruises.

<664/917hp(858)390/394mv[road](5874)dawn(blade.defensive)aggressive>
You grip your shield firmly, staving off Caidolese's slash.
You thrust Caidolese's slash aside in a skillful parry.
Caidolese is unaffected by Furgerson the battle-trained falcon's claw!
Caidolese is unaffected by your slash!
Caidolese is unaffected by your slash!
Caidolese has some small wounds and bruises.

<664/917hp(858)390/394mv[road](5874)dawn(blade.defensive)aggressive> 1

Furgerson the battle-trained falcon yells 'Help! Caidolese just filled the room with meteors!'
Caidolese's meteor swarm *** DEMOLISHES *** Furgerson the battle-trained falcon!
Caidolese's meteor swarm MANGLES you!
Caidolese has some small wounds and bruises.

<578/917hp(858)390/394mv[road](5874)dawn(blade.defensive)aggressive>
You parry Caidolese's slash with an easy flourish.
Caidolese is unaffected by your slash!
Caidolese has some small wounds and bruises.

<578/917hp(858)390/394mv[road](5874)dawn(blade.defensive)aggressive> You spin about while launching a volley of javelins.
Caidolese is unaffected by your pierce!
Caidolese is unaffected by your pierce!
Some iron pilums bounces harmlessly off Caidolese's protective shield.
Caidolese has some small wounds and bruises.

<578/917hp(858)390/394mv[road](5874)dawn(blade.defensive)aggressive> flee

Furgerson the battle-trained falcon yells 'Help! Caidolese just filled the room with meteors!'
Caidolese's meteor swarm *** DEVASTATES *** Furgerson the battle-trained falcon!
Caidolese's meteor swarm *** DEMOLISHES *** you!
Caidolese has some small wounds and bruises.

<468/917hp(858)390/394mv[road](5874)dawn(blade.defensive)aggressive>
The sun rises in the east.
Caidolese's weapon ward expires.
The white aura around Caidolese fades.
The town clock tolls once as the day begins.
Caidolese has some small wounds and bruises.

<477/917hp(858)394/394mv[road](5874)day(blade.defensive)aggressive> s

You nimbly dodge Caidolese's slash with a practiced maneuver.
You nimbly dodge Caidolese's slash with a practiced maneuver.
Caidolese is unaffected by your slash!
Caidolese has some small wounds and bruises.

<477/917hp(858)394/394mv[road](5874)day(blade.defensive)aggressive> w

Furgerson the battle-trained falcon yells 'Help! Caidolese just filled the room with meteors!'
Caidolese's meteor swarm <<< ERADICATES >>> Furgerson the battle-trained falcon!
Furgerson the battle-trained falcon is DEAD!!
Furgerson the battle-trained falcon spills its guts all over the floor.
Caidolese gets 139 gold coins from the corpse of Furgerson the battle-trained falcon.
Caidolese sacrifices the corpse of Furgerson the battle-trained falcon to Vamana.
Caidolese's meteor swarm === OBLITERATES === you!
That really did HURT!
Caidolese has some small wounds and bruises.

<243/917hp(858)394/394mv[road](5874)day(blade.defensive)aggressive> flee

You nimbly dodge Caidolese's slash with a practiced maneuver.
You parry Caidolese's slash.
Caidolese is unaffected by your slash!
Caidolese has some small wounds and bruises.

<243/917hp(858)394/394mv[road](5874)day(blade.defensive)aggressive> You flee from combat!
Entrance to the Arena

[Exits: (north) south]
The Juggernaut stands here with his arms folded across his chest.
The Juggernaut says 'Interested in information about the Strife organization?'
The Juggernaut says 'I've got a pamphlet for sale with everything you need to know to join.'

<243/917hp(858)392/394mv[city](5874)day(no opponent.no opponent)aggressive> flee
s
The North Road

[Exits: north east west]
A steaming pile of Furgerson the battle-trained falcon's entrails is lying here.
Caidolese is riding on the back of a black Asc'Liena stallion.

<243/917hp(858)390/394mv[road](5874)day(no opponent.no opponent)aggressive> w
w
The North Road

[Exits: east south west]

<243/917hp(858)388/394mv[road](5874)day(no opponent.no opponent)aggressive> You aren't fighting anyone.

<243/917hp(858)388/394mv[road](5874)day(no opponent.no opponent)aggressive> You aren't fighting anyone.

<243/917hp(858)388/394mv[road](5874)day(no opponent.no opponent)aggressive> Entrance of the Illusionist Guild

[Exits: north south]
(Translucent) Amoril the illusionist guild guardian is here guarding his guild.

<243/917hp(858)386/394mv[city](5874)day(no opponent.no opponent)aggressive> The screeching howl of dragons can be heard as phantom guardians block your path.

<243/917hp(858)386/394mv[city](5874)day(no opponent.no opponent)aggressive> The screeching howl of dragons can be heard as phantom guardians block your path.

<243/917hp(858)386/394mv[city](5874)day(no opponent.no opponent)aggressive> w
w
The screeching howl of dragons can be heard as phantom guardians block your path.

<243/917hp(858)386/394mv[city](5874)day(no opponent.no opponent)aggressive> s
The screeching howl of dragons can be heard as phantom guardians block your path.

<243/917hp(858)386/394mv[city](5874)day(no opponent.no opponent)aggressive> n
w
Amoril the illusionist guild guardian says 'You're not a member of this guild, Dugan!'
Amoril the illusionist guild guardian blocks you from entering the guild.

<243/917hp(858)386/394mv[city](5874)day(no opponent.no opponent)aggressive> w
w
The North Road

[Exits: east south west]

<243/917hp(858)384/394mv[road](5874)day(no opponent.no opponent)aggressive> The North Road

[Exits: north east west]

<243/917hp(858)382/394mv[road](5874)day(no opponent.no opponent)aggressive> The North Road

[Exits: east south west]
A stone giant city guard of Seringale stands watch here.

<243/917hp(858)380/394mv[road](5874)day(no opponent.no opponent)aggressive> The North Road

[Exits: east south west]

<243/917hp(858)378/394mv[road](5874)day(no opponent.no opponent)aggressive> w
n
North Square

[Exits: north east south west]
(Glowing) (Humming) A brass finger post stands here.
(Glowing) (Humming) A fabulous tree made for Strythmas stands here, beaming majestically.
Caidolese is riding on the back of a black Asc'Liena stallion.
A filthy beggar is here asking for your spare gold.
A fearless adventurer is here asking for a group to explore Haon Dor.
(White Aura) Filiwyn the head Strythmas gnome is here, looking worried.
(Pink Aura) A teary-eyed, scrawny little man wanders around moaning.
Caidolese utters the words, 'pzrrghcandusaw'.
The ground erupts as you are caught in a searing beam of arcane light.
Caidolese's hellstream *** DEMOLISHES *** you!
You sure are BLEEDING!
A beggar walks south.
An adventurer walks south.
Caidolese has some small wounds and bruises.

<129/917hp(858)376/394mv[city](5874)day(blade.defensive)aggressive> No way! You are still fighting!
Caidolese has some small wounds and bruises.

<129/917hp(858)376/394mv[city](5874)day(blade.defensive)aggressive>
Caidolese swings wildly and misses you by a mile.
Caidolese is unaffected by your slash!
Caidolese has some small wounds and bruises.

<129/917hp(858)376/394mv[city](5874)day(blade.defensive)aggressive> flee
You flee from combat!
The North Main Street

[Exits: north south west]
A storm giant citizen of Seringale strolls about.

<129/917hp(858)374/394mv[road](5874)day(no opponent.no opponent)aggressive>
Polik the citizen of Seringale says 'Do you want to join the New Order, Caidolese?'
Polik the citizen of Seringale offers a prayer to Myria.

<129/917hp(858)374/394mv[road](5874)day(no opponent.no opponent)aggressive>
Caidolese utters the words, 'pzrrghcandusaw'.
The ground erupts as you are caught in a searing beam of arcane light.
Caidolese's hellstream DISEMBOWELS you!
You sure are BLEEDING!
Caidolese has some small wounds and bruises.

<81/917hp(858)374/394mv[road](5874)day(blade.defensive)aggressive> get recall sack
a heavy backpack is closed.
Caidolese has some small wounds and bruises.

<81/917hp(858)374/394mv[road](5874)day(blade.defensive)aggressive> quaff recall

You grip your shield firmly, staving off Caidolese's slash.
Caidolese is unaffected by your slash!
Caidolese has some small wounds and bruises.

<81/917hp(858)374/394mv[road](5874)day(blade.defensive)aggressive> flee
You do not have that potion.
Caidolese has some small wounds and bruises.

<81/917hp(858)374/394mv[road](5874)day(blade.defensive)aggressive> You flee from combat!
The North Main Street

[Exits: north east south west]

<81/917hp(858)372/394mv[road](5874)day(no opponent.no opponent)aggressive> n
The North Main Street

[Exits: north east south]
A fire giant city guard of Seringale stands watch here.

<81/917hp(858)370/394mv[road](5874)day(no opponent.no opponent)aggressive> n
n
n
The North Main Street

[Exits: north south]
A fire giant city guard of Seringale stands watch here.
A human citizen of Seringale wanders around aimlessly.

<81/917hp(858)368/394mv[road](5874)day(no opponent.no opponent)aggressive> n
n
n
Inside the North Gate

[Exits: north south up]
A gnomish city guard of Seringale stands watch here.
A gate guard is here guarding the gates of Seringale.
A gate guard is here guarding the gates of Seringale.

<81/917hp(858)366/394mv[city](5874)day(no opponent.no opponent)aggressive> n
n
n
Outside the North Gate

[Exits: north south]
A gnomish city guard of Seringale stands watch here.

<81/917hp(858)364/394mv[city](5874)day(no opponent.no opponent)aggressive> camo
Path in the plains

[Exits: north east south west]

<81/917hp(858)362/394mv[field](5874)day(no opponent.no opponent)aggressive> Gallow hill

[Exits: north east south west]
The disfigured corpse of Harlen hangs from the gallows.
(White Aura) A black veiled female figure waits here patiently.

<81/917hp(858)359/394mv[hills](5874)day(no opponent.no opponent)aggressive> Grassy plains

[Exits: north east south west]

<81/917hp(858)355/394mv[hills](5874)day(no opponent.no opponent)aggressive> Grassy foothills

[Exits: north south west]

<81/917hp(858)351/394mv[hills](5874)day(no opponent.no opponent)aggressive> The steep foothills

[Exits: north east south west]
A cute rabbit is here.
A cute rabbit is here.
A cute rabbit is here.

<98/917hp(858)391/394mv[hills](5874)day(no opponent.no opponent)aggressive> Base of Mount Saidain

[Exits: south up]

<98/917hp(858)386/394mv[mountain](5874)day(no opponent.no opponent)aggressive> You attempt to camouflage yourself.

<98/917hp(858)386/394mv[mountain](5874)day(no opponent.no opponent)aggressive> s
e
camo
The steep foothills

[Exits: north east south west]
Caidolese is riding on the back of a black Asc'Liena stallion.
A cute rabbit is here.
A cute rabbit is here.
A cute rabbit is here.
Caidolese scans all around.

<98/917hp(858)381/394mv[hills](5874)day(no opponent.no opponent)aggressive> The steep foothills

[Exits: east west]
Aruncus the Druid is walking around here, searching for herbs.

<98/917hp(858)377/394mv[hills](5874)day(no opponent.no opponent)aggressive> You attempt to camouflage yourself.

<98/917hp(858)377/394mv[hills](5874)day(no opponent.no opponent)aggressive>
You are hungry.
Your definition returns to your physical self.
You are allowed to leave the realms.

<112/917hp(858)394/394mv[hills](5874)day(no opponent.no opponent)aggressive>
You hear something's death cry.
You hear something's death cry.
You hear something's death cry.

<112/917hp(858)394/394mv[hills](5874)day(no opponent.no opponent)aggressive> camo
You attempt to camouflage yourself.

<112/917hp(858)394/394mv[hills](5874)day(no opponent.no opponent)aggressive> open sack
You step out from your cover.
You open a heavy backpack.

<112/917hp(858)394/394mv[hills](5874)day(no opponent.no opponent)aggressive> get recall sack
You get a perfect potion of recall from a heavy backpack.

<112/917hp(858)394/394mv[hills](5874)day(no opponent.no opponent)aggressive>
Caidolese utters the words, 'pzrrghcandusaw'.
The ground erupts as you are caught in a searing beam of arcane light.
Caidolese's hellstream === OBLITERATES === you!
You feel yourself hurl upwards and then slam into the ground.
You have been KILLED!!

darshanzn Dugan vs Caidolese -

Sorry i didnt mention important things. My zmud doesnt save much logs.

Reguarding the fight I was prepared as I thought I should be iron weapon some javelins. Then I noticed Zero damage. Then didnt know how to adjust.

oreno Invokers have barrier -

the best way to counter this is to murder flee with axes or whips to get the most hits in. Not sure with the barrier change if the whole shield fails to block an axe or if thats blocked by weapon ward, but regardless you want to use weapons that get the most hits in to suck up their mana.

Clearly in this instance Dugan wasn't prepared wearing a shield against a mage, why? you have dual parry.

Second where are your pets?

Third it doesn't matter what weapons you use against barrier it just sucks up mana, no more mana no more barrier. The trick now is to fight an invoker like you would an illusionist. I can't imagine barrier lasting more than 4 to 6 hours so just keep that in mind during the fight.

Hopefully someone with more skill posts a fight with an invoker with the new changes, but barrier plus medic scrolls and mystic tendrils seems beefy now...

glirad Invokers have barrier -

barrier only blocks physical attacks. use weapons with magic attacks. assuming the only change to barrier is class transfer

scrolls cost mana and the mystic tendrils dont give a great deal of mana back for how much they damage you. so that isnt a great srat.

triple post ftw. elves also have a giant mana pool so tryin to stand toe to toe with an aff spammin elf and tryin to deplete their mana via dual wielding physical weapons against barrier is an uphill battle. good luck with that oreno.

darshanzn Invokers have barrier -

Thanks for the tips. My initial approuch using javelins and iron sword was that bad It wouldve worked, Had it not been for barrier. It worked well against magic users. Plus Being a gnome good shield block.

Shouldve had pets yes. That wouldve made the difference.

I wonder what changes rangers going to get. Fury?

tayyah Invokers have barrier -

Well for starters as far as I can tell scrolls dont cost mana to cost, thats a false, Medic scrolls might, as I couldnt test that myself so that is unkown. Javelins imo is a bad option against mages, its not like hobble or sideswipe were its blocked by weapon ward, its blocked by protective shied, which is a 7-10 hr spell compared to ward which is 2-4 depending on race. I'd say always go dual wielding against a mage, hands down because they only have two options, go two hander and lose a defence, or go defensive and be disadvantaged with 2 defences. Vs your extra attacks. I think you were boned from the get go, just from your lack of response to the 0 dmg output you were doing through barrier, you just werent prepared for that. you just kinda bent over for caid. Best thing you could have done was run after the second round, rethink your weapon selection and try again.

Correct Tayyah

As Far as javelins conserned scrolls suggest to use the, The murder flee works well with it. Yes javelins have a chance of hitting through protective shield. And it did and caused zero damage but it did. But its useless now they they get barrier.

Parts where not included ive done more than you can see on this post. but offcourse those parts are Zero So I cant make any point. crap

I will use the dual approach.

I wouldve escaped but my fingers froze I was jiggling and had to backspace quff recall. Then I died, I had the time.

Thanks for the tip.

Shad0w Invokers have barrier -

I think this is BS. It's almost the same thing that happened with Ygin where they changed the material vuln AFTER she deleted, and now here comes Caid and all of a sudden gets barrier so she doesn't have to deal with material vuln, even after it got lowered from high vuln to low? I call BS.

ergorion Invokers have barrier -

Invoker getting barrier isn't that big a deal. I draw the analogy of avian invokers using mana shield to annul their vuln. You just have to notice what you're fighting against. If you see barrier, magic weapons; mana/fire/ice shield, physical or appropriate magic weapon.

This sort of sucks for keepers because they can't use their forged weapons. But I'm assuming you can't have barrier and mana shield up at the same time, so invokers are going to soak up damage from one source or the other.

kapruski Invokers have barrier -

I don't think invokers having barrier is related to the vuln. After all, all classes that can be elf/drow didn't get barrier too.

Vertas Invokers have barrier -

The initial javelin throw via murder is a great way to tell if protective shield is down, it's certainly better than tentatively typing in dirt or bash...

I was thinking. More damage per round Vs The invokers helltstreams with is around 10% through sanctuary. Hack down mana with dual wield. And avoid getting hit by hellstreams and meteor swarms.

I want to see someone break the barrier headon.

Yes but everyone will always still just max out aff saves and greatly reduce damage output, what I wanna know is if you can have barrier and mana shield up at the same time and what the average mana loss per hp loss conversion is for both, and which is more effective.

Fheona Invokers have barrier -

This seriously creates an imbalance.

Invokers were fine before that, but the people playing them weren't good enough to use them. I kind of figured out how to use them, but I quit playing because I didn't like being in Justice again (and because of losing my things to bad luck in a sudden reboot after a death).

The ability to enchant any weapon to a good, competitive level makes the invoker a very good class. They can generally hit any vulnerability between their spells and their weapons. And they can almost always have enough money to imbue/buy randoms. People often pay handsome rewards for enchantments, and if you consider someone a potential enemy you don't have to give them that which they seek.

But generally speaking, the invoker is a powerful class. Drow/elf invoker can use autosneak to toss off an unsanced hellstream. And I think giving them barrier is a bit too much. I'm a fan of invokers, but when they become this powerful, I feel a change is REALLY necessary.

Nadrin Invokers have barrier -

The changes to invokers are nice. They make a lot of sense, and help a previously imbalanced class. More changes will probably come later as they are tested out.