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aggressive) (565hp 378mv 21470tnl 1529gold)< no opponent no opponent> forest

You yell 'Help! I am being attacked by Lurayel!'
Lurayel's smash MANGLES you!
Lurayel's smash MANGLES you!
Lurayel has some small wounds and bruises.

(aggressive) (375hp 378mv 21470tnl 1529gold)< segment dual_wield> forest
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You are not carrying that.
Your pierce maims Lurayel!
Your pierce mauls Lurayel.
Your pierce devastates Lurayel!
A bear roars as he comes to Kassiim's defense!
A large grizzly bear now follows you.
The brand of Ilythir glares in warning.
A large grizzly bear's claw mauls Lurayel.
A large grizzly bear jumps in front of you!
Lurayel's smash MASSACRES a large grizzly bear!
Lurayel's smash *** DEMOLISHES *** you!
Lurayel's luminous punch *** DEMOLISHES *** you!
You sure are BLEEDING!
Lurayel's smash *** DEMOLISHES *** you!
You sure are BLEEDING!
Lurayel has quite a few wounds.

(aggressive) (39hp 378mv 21470tnl 1529gold)< segment dual_wield> forest

Wasn't for the bear i'd be a corpse...pretty sure no one can call DKN's especially DROW DKN's gimped anymore. maybe tone back their resistances i've got almost 40 damroll doing mauls...that's silly. with the stilletto which is high average. I've done wounds with a brilliant punch before too, while in tiger.

TheNags Safe to say DKN's DON'T suck anymore. -

why are you fighting at low health without sanc?

Etelaan Safe to say DKN's DON'T suck anymore. -

she had probably 31 hit 33 dam. The stallion gives more damage and unholy strength also gives small bonus to damage.

drows dont have a resistance to pierce attacks. I have had 40 damroll do mauls to other people while using 1 handed weapons too. Yeah it sucks but that's why people use two handers. Average damage also plays a lot more role in damage than damroll. a 40 damroll goblin short sword through sanc would probably hit injures.

long stiletto
Object 'long stiletto dagger' is type weapon, material steel.
Extra flags: none.
Weight is 3 lbs, value is 1100, level is 45.
Weapon type is dagger.
Damage is 6-18 (average 12).
Affects hitroll by 3.
Affects damroll by 3.\t\t
Mob: Thiel
Area: Mudfall
Worn on: dagger
Submitted by Deadzero, 8/17/11

\t'Angelic', the winged stiletto
Object 'angelic stiletto winged dagger' is type weapon, material silver.
Extra flags: glow hum magic anti_evil anti_neutral.
Weight is 5 lbs, value is 1, level is 50.
Weapon type is dagger.
Damage is 6-48 (average 27).
Affects hp by 10.
Affects hitroll by 6.
Affects damroll by 2.
This item is part of the set 'Wings of Icarus'.
Unique item.
\t\t
Mob: Selendriel
Area: Battlezone
Worn on: dagger
Submitted by Jamal, 11/10/08

which stiletto would that be?

The unique 27 avg made of silver should be doing horrifying damage to a drow.

kassiim Safe to say DKN's DON'T suck anymore. -

That was the winged one which is silver...Aura just fell and I was grabbing an herb but she tracked me to fast. And if you look i'm not that hurt I had 565hp which is over 60%.

if you're sure about this, there is something bogus about Lurayel's character. All the other drows get reamed by silver and light weapons.

the mithril axe on the gate guard to gasteride was retooled, as well as the iron executioner axe made into steel, both because they hit material vulns on drow and elf respectively, and because they are or were high average damage weapons of the shaft type. They appear to be trying to shift all vuln weapons to segmented, and they're giving a lot of incentive to use them. 8 damroll and 24 avg on a brilliant punch? You should be doing more than a wound with that. On the other hand, such a vuln setup intrinsically helps out giants, because they can tank their vuln with preferred maces, good for warriors, and best parrying weapon for every other giant/class combo besides.

recheck the material of the stiletto when you have a chance. They might've changed it like they did to the other stuff.

One of the ironies of their setup is that giants can wield those vuln weapons against giants and elves or drow, while at the same time the tank option of using polearms, spears, or maces, either hits the resistances of the giant via physical attack or simply doesn't hit their vuln, which is greatly needed.

Im getting this feeling from looking it over that they really have a boner for giant races.

retard Safe to say DKN's DON'T suck anymore. -

If I have an ave 25 weapon with 40 damroll, that means I average 65 damage, right? This is dismembers?

If I have an enhanced damage skill, that means I average 90 damage, right? This is mangles?

If my opponent has sanc, those numbers drop to 32 and 45 respectively.

If my opponent has protection spell, which he does since youre wielding angelic w hich is good-only, that drops another 20% to approx 25 and 36 respectively.

Armor reduced damage by a little but its not the major factor here.

sounds like bull pulled of the ass to me. You need to be taking a look at the damage rondak does to lucidique with brilliant punches before making up numbers.

Rondak Safe to say DKN's DON'T suck anymore. -

I just want to point out that those numbers do not match up with my damage Etelaan.

Before you make an even bigger ass of yourself, Retard is Davairus. You know the guy who codes all this stuff? You would think he would know what he was talking about right

Now take his exact numbers that he just put there.

Hey I have a 25 weapon, (that is Vuln) so make that more like a 35ish(not sure of the exact formula) weapon and then take my 40 damage? Add 17 damage for rage, and add 7 damage for berserk. Then you add enhanced damage to it. Puts me at something like 120-130 damage? Much larger sample size, so of course I am going to hit harder...

Oh I guess I didn't follow this correctly. I thought you guys were complaining the angelic didn't do much damage to some drow DK.

Not all vulns are equally strong.

Nadrin Safe to say DKN's DON'T suck anymore. -

Aside from that, Last year Olyn reworked a lot of the material vulns, in the form of making changes to weapons and such. There were huge complaints that there were tons of weapons that Drow and elves were vulnerable to while you couldn't find much of other things, and so that got a huge check. How do we know Angelic is still silver? Someone should check. I'm sure When Kassiim logsi n next he will check it (provided he still has it)

Object 'angelic stiletto winged dagger' is type weapon, material silver.
Extra flags: glow hum magic anti_evil anti_neutral.
Weight is 5 lbs, value is 1, level is 50.
Weapon type is dagger.
Inflicts 6 to 48 degrees of pierce (average 27).
Provides 10 layers of health.
Provides 6 layers of hitroll.
Provides 2 layers of damroll.
This item is part of the set 'Wings of Icarus'.
Unique item.

33/40ish isn't bad. Also I thought when they were on top of their horse their spells were not as effective I get blinded granted I have little/no saves 9/10 times while she is on horseback.

Also scrolled up through the whole fight most I did while in tiger with the stilletto was devastes (small) my diamond mace did mauls. Which is wrath I'm starting to think that I need non-goodie vuln IE brilliant punch or a 7/7 light spear.

One thing I have noticed lately is carrying 5-6 gyvels like I usually do is no longer enough. And with them being as heavy as they are its really hard to carry a bunch of gyvels. I get blinded by a Dk and more often then not it takes 2-3 gyvels or more to cure one blindness. Got destroyed last night because 3 gyvels failed, then when the 4th worked, she blinded me again for the next two gyvels I had to not work. At that point I said screw it and raged, hoping Defiance would burn it out like it sometimes does, but no cigars...

the horses were installed to protect from weapon issues because dks were underplayed forever. Then weapon protection got moved to the armor skill, and i think their skill in mount riding determines how much they fail casting or fall off their horse. at 100% those issues appear to go away, so its a near perma buff to damage with flying as well. although you sacrifice autosneak for it, which is what that 500 exp hole is all about, right?

you're not the only one to do a lot of damage with it rondak. you also dont need to rage to get that kind of damage output.

Weapon itself isnt the issue with protection spell, or we'd have an enchanted moss sword issue. Its YOUR alignment as the attacker that matters.

Beljia Safe to say DKN's DON'T suck anymore. -

The flail of child-beating is now made of gold, as of a few months ago.

kapruski Safe to say DKN's DON'T suck anymore. -

Question to Retard: If those material vulns aren't as bad as the light vuln, why were people crying about material vulns on weapons all the time until weapons all over the world got nerfed?

iron hilted sword gasteride- dragonbone.
black-iron longsword- turned into "dark" steel.
and the ones etelaan mentioned.

Obviously those vulns are a big deal, otherwise they wouldn't have been changed.

chandran Safe to say DKN's DON'T suck anymore. -

the material vulns were never really bad at all before, then they made a change look up some fights with oreno and cadiolese and oreno and the drow justice. The fights were not fair at all, thats when material vulns were changed. Now they probably changed them back. It never really made sense to gimp a class with 500 extra xp, 500 hp and then add a vuln.

blarg Safe to say DKN's DON'T suck anymore. -

Several material vuln weapons got a change because their creators built them before the change that let melee weapons hit material vulns. The result was a highly unbalanced number of available weapon of certain materials when the change went in. The changes I made to weapon materials addressed that.

For what it's worth, this log does not really reflect ANY of the changes we've made to DKN over the last year and a half. They could always stack damroll and unholy up to kill someone with their pants down.

I want to point out that Dk's aren't suddenly super buff. Biggest thing is you had a bunch of average or below average pkers playing them before. Now that they are getting a lot of attention, more of the vets/decently skilled players are checking out to see what the changes are really about you find that more and more of them are doing really well. Its not just the changes, but the fact that the players behind them are giving them more light.

\tI want to point out that Dk's aren't suddenly super buff. Biggest thing is you had a bunch of average or below average pkers playing them before.

aggressive) (565hp 378mv 21470tnl 1529gold)< no opponent no opponent> forest

You yell 'Help! I am being attacked by Lurayel!'
Lurayel's smash MANGLES you!
Lurayel's smash MANGLES you!
Lurayel has some small wounds and bruises.

(aggressive) (375hp 378mv 21470tnl 1529gold)< segment dual_wield> forest
e
You are not carrying that.
Your pierce maims Lurayel!
Your pierce mauls Lurayel.
Your pierce devastates Lurayel!
A bear roars as he comes to Kassiim's defense!
A large grizzly bear now follows you.
The brand of Ilythir glares in warning.
A large grizzly bear's claw mauls Lurayel.
A large grizzly bear jumps in front of you!
Lurayel's smash MASSACRES a large grizzly bear!
Lurayel's smash *** DEMOLISHES *** you!
Lurayel's luminous punch *** DEMOLISHES *** you!
You sure are BLEEDING!
Lurayel's smash *** DEMOLISHES *** you!
You sure are BLEEDING!
Lurayel has quite a few wounds.

Max dual wield unholy strength while mounted is something even the most noob person can do. You don't know what you're talking about.

http://abandonedrealms.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7172&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=dark+knight+dodge

http://abandonedrealms.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2074&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=hybrid+dodge

Those changes happened in 2005. For 7 years, the only marginally "good" hybrid was a Knight or a Justice. You're asking us to believe that no vet or "competent pker" touched a hybrid for 7 years.

kappy bringin in the big guns.

Chomryul Safe to say DKN's DON'T suck anymore. -

\tA spiked iron trident
Object 'trident spiked iron' is type weapon, material iron.
Extra flags: hum.
Weight is 25 lbs, value is 10, level is 50.
Weapon type is spear.
Damage is 8-40 (average 24).
Affects hitroll by 4.
Affects damroll by 4.
Rare item.
\t\t
Mob: an old slith
Area: Demea
Worn on: spear
Submitted by Blasphemy, 9/12/09

You see an old slith before you. He is dressed in rather humble looking
clothing, much unlike the garbs of most. In his youth he was a warrior, but
his striving for battle caused him to neglect the needs of his family. Now
he has lost them, and saddened by this, he has decided to live out the rest
of his life alone in this secluded cabin.
An old slith is in excellent condition.

an old slith is using:
(Humming) a spiked mithril trident

Someone has a grudge against drow being able to access any high level polearms.

vuln material weapons vs elf were swtiched and the spiked iron trident is now drow vuln material, high average, and they cant use it.

Someone's just being a dick with their coding powers.

xenyar Safe to say DKN's DON'T suck anymore. -

Chom, I ran into that problem all the time with Xenyar... there's about 3 high average two handers a drow can use. One of them is the scythe, the other 2 are spears.
There's the onyx lance too I if you want to count that. So make that 1 polearm, 3 spear

Trident is a spear.