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posted on 2013-04-09 21:28:25
executor of valour vs forsaken.
yes, my hit and damage is not 50/50 like mkatos because I have no ability to get eq. Mkatos logs on for 5 minutes 50 times a day to look for people. I literally had time today to request 1 mediocre item. grab 4 purples, a clear potion, a gyvel, and speak very very briefly with an applicant before mkatos logged on. This happens every time I log on. As far as gaining eq goes, it is scarce to see equipment worth getting and even more scarce to have a group to get most of it with anyway. Some would say 'just go gamble all of your eq.' I call them idiots, gambling takes a lot of time, as I pointed out earlier, mkatos is always on. Calculate in the cost of fighting a shaman too, and I have little gold left anyway. Flight potions are a must, that is 6k-10k for ONE. recall potions. Defenders. Detects. I am sure I am forgetting something else that costs money here. So now I have a choice of spending the little amount of gold I have left on the CHANCE of getting something decent to fight with, and not even a full suit, probably 4-5 pieces if I get really lucky and have time to sell a LOT of things back.

Before I died last time, I had rather decent eq, sitting at 30ish/30ish i think, with saves refer to a previous log for how that went. Sure I hit him a couple times more, but that didn't change anything. When a shaman fights a good align warrior they should NEVER lose a fight. Ever. Period.

Let me give the reasons. Fly, warriors have to be flying to for murder lags. if the shaman is flying and you aren't you have a significantly higher murder lag. so you HAVE to fly. You have to wear saves, all of them. Afflictive is least important, flay health is still a threat though. Mental is super important as a warrior, insomnia so you can't catch ticks, hysteria to completely ruin flee murder AND potion quaffing. Maledictive is obvious enough I hope.... When you actually do get some decent gear and have decent hit/dam with saves on you still can't win. Let me give you scenarios. Good align warrior first has to go through sanc and protection, super gimping the warriors damage output. Lets say you actually get the shaman to a few wounds/big nasty. You murder once, they flee instantly, run to a harder to find room, like ones in timaran, or repeat rooms, like moss-covered path. By the time you catch up to the shaman, they should be back in full health. So, you are still at half health and they are at full. Now, lets say fly falls for the shaman, cool, you are still flying, murder lag increases. You go for a trip, unless it is a giant shaman which is rare, the trip will last one whole round. trip lag on self is two rounds. shaman flees, recasts fly, runs, heals, comes back. Lets say ward falls... what do you do? some say disarm or shielddisarm, murder is actually still the best option. Ward in and of itself protects from EVERYTHING. increases parry ability, super protects shields too, this includes the axe bonus, pretty sure it is just a message without the benefit when ward is up. So, ward falls and all you have is murder still. Lets say protective shield falls... what are you going to do then? bash? if you were a storm giant maybe. and even then they can actually not be lagged enough to chain them. flee, run, recast, cure, come back. These are assuming the spells fall and you aren't already lagged from murdering and they don't flee in time for you to actually capitalize on it. That is a lot of ifs. so a flying, warded, protshield, and some really nice healing a shaman is super hard to kill in and of itself. As a good-align warrior, it is impossible, due to protection. Sure, I had mkatos in awful ONCE, with a VERY lucky murder/round run together. he fled, ran away from riverwood, worded, cured to full by the time I hit darkhaven, and proceeded to beat me down.
  1. Rondak For additional details. -
    Agreed. I have been Fighting Mkatos a lot. I have lost every time. I am pretty sure Mkatos and I are 7-8 to 0. I am a competent player. I am having a bit of a hard time with the berserker class, but with the water vuln, Mkatos does Massacres and mangles every round, Heck half the time all he has to do to kill me is cast dysentry. I rage at him, and he flee murders ME not the other way around. Its retarded. If I was playing an evil warrior or fighter, I could of already killed Mkatos several times over... As it is, Its hardly worth attempting to fight right now. Goodie gear is crap. Having to request it takes a long time and leaves you vulnerable (IE, they can sac the items or attack you and leave you drained After saccing the items.) Most of the goodie items are too spread out, you can't find hardly anything, all the evil gear is taken up by Legion (who by the way I only see Lucidque and Mkatos on ever) Its retarded and very frustrating.
  2. kassiim For additional details. -
    Agreed.
  3. Rondak For additional details. -
    As an extra note, I just want to touch on what Airelyn said about the needing flight, and the gold issue for supplies. Look at those hours for the visible Legions? How is it even remotely possible for us to take the time to gain gold/gear when we are already fighting this uphill battle? Not that I expect that anything can be done about the amount of hours spent. Its great that We have players already over 40 hours ten days into the month... Its just crazy is all.

    1. Szat the Master of Stealth - 51 hours 56 minutes
    2. [LEGION] Kaglemar the Stronghold of Fury - 47 hours 53 minutes
    3. [LEGION] Mkatos the Wrath of Darkhan, Forsaken of Legion - 41 hours 50 minutes
    4. Benno the Reptile Journalist, Lore Keeper of Heralds - 35 hours 24 minutes
    5. [LEGION] Lucidique the Unholy Lady - 32 hours 58 minutes
    6. Wumslorg the Master Surrealist - 31 hours 33 minutes
    7. Mograd the Dark Knight - 24 hours 30 minutes
    8. Adrieradune the Master of Metamorphosis - 23 hours 47 minutes
    9. Cindrelin the Caller of Inferno - 21 hours 53 minutes
    10. Lurayel the Unholy Lady - 20 hours 20 minutes
  4. xenyar For additional details. -
    Fighting opposite aligned clerics is just a pain in the ass....especially if that cleric is fairly compentent. Interesting note... when I had Valox, I had 1 Healer kill, and 4 shaman kills. Every one of those kills was in the rift(except Graulog, I just got lucky with spamming murder at the right time.) Every time I fought clerics out of the rift, all I could do was flee/murder... they flee/heal.. I track and murder. They recall/heavens gate...cure to full... repeat the headache of a process. Ward needs to be toned down... At the very most, it should prevent disarms and strikes...thats it. you should still be able to gain weapon/combat advantage. At least occasionally changing weapons will give you something to do other than flee/murder. Shamans have a "shit" shield block compared to fighter class, I believe... their second attack should be a equivalent to that of a "shit" shield block. They have the largest variety of spells anyways... they wouldn't even notice the deflated second attack.
  5. ikroma maybe helpful information -
    When I use to fight Graulog I never used defenders, purples may be easier to dispel but the amount of gold saved is worth the try if you're aware of when the aura drops. Of course I had a few tricks like blindness dust that I'm sure he really hated, but there is no reason why you cannot have a decent amount of damage and saves at the same time, I did it. Billowing white capes, gambled saves are the best because sometimes you'll get lucky and get a large save item. Anticipate when the shaman realizes you are stacked on maledictive/mental, switch out to full damage and go crazy on them. I had a trigger set up for that, and it worked beautifully. Once they narrow your eyes, flee and use it, but never let them see you ever ever switch in the first place.
  6. ikroma maybe helpful information -
    sorry it wasn't a trigger it was a macro.. one for wearing and one for removing. By the way I think when your weapon advantage becomes highlighted (for me it use to be green) that is when you know their weapon ward is down. I once thought of an idea of saying purify should act just like tainted sacrifice, just good aligned form, never went through with it..
  7. oxyl For additional details. -
    Bunch of pussies. Jeezuz. Legion is on too often, waa waa. Mkatos is decked, waa waa. How the heck did you make executor Airelyn? Nut up, all of you. Or if you can't take the heat, retire out of Knights and make room for players who can. Like Ikroma used to.
  8. Chomryul For additional details. -
    Im not saying Knights are turning into caballed versions of me, but maybe you guys could GANK Mkatos. He's clearly showing the "ultimate evil power level" to be worthy of being Gangbanged into a pile of goo. I'm pretty sure he's anathema, and anath/contract flags were how gangbanging was solved. If they have no cabal flag, you cant gangbang, if they have it, depending on circumstances, you can.

    A scenario like this is one of the few instances Everyone And Their Mother will agree gangbanging is fine to use.

    I think Xenyar's right that they should remove the "weapon disadvantage" thing. Keep exploit attacks and wild attacks from happening, but reinstate the poorer parrying from not knowing enemy weapons or something.

    You guys are lucky Shamans had enhanced damage removed. They only get two attacks per round. Spam the dual wield axe damroll.

    If you guys want to gamble better, grind some expensive rings from bandits or unlit city. They pop pretty fast for a 50 and you can sack them and spam sell 3-4 at at a time until you're out, move between that and magical weapons in grimforge grinds.

    Also, you guys need to get MAGICAL weapons vs him too. Magic AC is a hard to get thing. That's why WRATH weapons seem to do so good even though you don't hit a vuln. It kind of annoys me that Darkhaven sells easy to get Turmoil weapons that is off limits to neutral or lawful characters. Dunno why they force players to "throw too the ground too risky". That screws up getting lots of weapons for anyone not chaotic, like Xavier scythe. Why they couldn't just keep it as you can wield the weapon but not benefit from wild attacks I don't know.


    Constitution protects from flay health. They made a mistake putting fly lag on there.

    Disarm is a fine skill if ward drops.

    Learn how to gamble better. a giant or high strength can go pick up padded leather in ofcol, ethereal plate from the plains knight, and make regular sell runs. It beats doing tasks in a big way.
  9. Chomryul For additional details. -
    Mithril saves from grimforge is good. Save vs Spell is not affected by savebreak items at all. It also happens to be the flavor of material that goods like to use and at least ONE evil race that can be shaman CANT use.
  10. Chomryul For additional details. -
    ikroma made a good point about farming purples for sanc instead of defenders. 10x faster to farm purples than the gold to get defenders usually.
  11. Chomryul For additional details. -
    As far as the issue of login times, why are you guys trying NOT to log in unless legion are absent? Are you guys tired of playing the game? If you're not logged in, you're not playing the game right. Why don't you guys log in MORE, so that you find time to be all together and go on a gold farming/gangbang Mkatos spree?

    Have one person get guild reward and go in force grimforge and rake in lots of gold.
  12. Chomryul For additional details. -
    u know what else u might try if ward drops? Hobble
  13. ergorion For additional details. -
    If a mage/cleric gets hobbled, instaword should do the trick.
  14. kalist For additional details. -
    Chomryul gave you guys the answer. Mkatos just needs an HGOD. He's caballed so all you have to do is walk a lynch mob into his cabal and take him down with superior numbers. What do you do after that? Do it again. Do whatever it takes to claw your way up to power.

    Don't get frustrated and stop logging in just because the gauntlet is hard for you. If getting to 50 was easy it'd be called 'the cakewalk', not 'the gauntlet'.

  15. Wumslorg For additional details. -
    All of them are already 50..
  16. deadzero For additional details. -
    Am I the only person who hates when people recommend ganking? sure it's part of the game and all, but I really do hate it. When people resort to ganking.... sad.
  17. TheNags For additional details. -
    Full of shit. I had 5 rank 50-50 players invade on me as rank 42 and a few of them got denied for out of range assisting and then spamming the screen with emotes after killing me.

    I got uninducted when 3 ranke 50 knights appeared and I was rank 45 so I said Fuck this shit because I have to go to work and I had been on for 45 minutes disconnected from the game by closing the mud client because I still had adrenaline. They recorded themselves trying to gangbang by tripping temple, and then complained that I didn't come defend because I was still logged in even though I had quit, and the imms have timestamps of when people disconnect so they should see that I wasn't connected at the time of invasion, but they still used their evidence of 3 50s trying to gangbang a rank 45 to complain and that got me booted from legion.

    So fuck anyone who gets ganked. I approve of it and I do it now to people underranked. It's obviously okay.
  18. Linaro For additional details. -
    I already ganked Mkatos with Prudynce. Might be time to do it again boys and girls. I am not usually one to say go gank someone. It isn't my play style and I certainly don't like when it happens to me but I understand that sometimes you get what is coming to you after a long stint of being on top or dominating everyone.
  19. kapruski For additional details. -
    anathema, contract, and is it deathmark? are all reasons to gangbang someone. That's especially true with someone who's not only decked but also #1 in ratings. A keeper should be assisting anyone who fights Mkatos, for instance.
  20. foobat For additional details. -
    The only keeper is Jaux and Lucidique tosses him every time he logs in.
  21. kapruski For additional details. -
    maybe he needs to be atoning and using magic staff and bow
  22. jaux1 For additional details. -
    I can feel your frustration here Airelyn and all I can say is to stick with it. Mkatos is a tough fight for me and I do not have to deal with his protection like a goodie. I do think that ward should protect your weapon and not block concentration or prevent shield disarming. Maybe you should post something on the forums about some possible changes.

    Ganking, well that's your call. I do not believe in it but can be effective. Looking at how legion has more hours logged it might start something that the knights aren't ready for.

    I would definitely use purples and vials against Mkatos. Defenders are a waste for me because he will simply run around in circles.

    Foobat - I do not know how many shrooms that your eating but you might want to cut it back buddy. Lucidique does not toss me every time I log on, you might try asking him if you don't believe me.
  23. Wumslorg For additional details. -
    you mean her, and ganging Mkatos won't start anything new that isn't already happening. Just keeping Mkatos in guild issue sounds like a step in the right direction.
  24. kato For additional details. -
    good luck. got 3 sets of malicious beast stashed around for when the time comes
  25. Chomryul For additional details. -
    Stormy reboots.

    malcious beast is so good on dark knights it's retarded. too bad drow have such shitty weight bearing.